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Old 04-25-2015, 06:45 AM
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I have a little issue and need advice.

I swapped over to a Marantz AV7702, Klipsch RF7II fronts and the 7500 at the same time. XT32 is setting my center bottomed out at -12, and the fronts at -9db. Before, with my XPA-3 and smaller towers (one step down from RF7's) my fronts were -4 and the center was -9.

I am currently using RCA's, would the difference in gain on the XLR (34db vs 28db) have any affect here? Or is my only option an attenuator on the RCA's? I guess this is just the product of a highly efficient speaker and a powerful amp. I'll also admit I do not understand a lot about that difference in gain.

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I have a little issue and need advice.

I swapped over to a Marantz AV7702, Klipsch RF7II fronts and the 7500 at the same time. XT32 is setting my center bottomed out at -12, and the fronts at -9db. Before, with my XPA-3 and smaller towers (one step down from RF7's) my fronts were -4 and the center was -9.

I am currently using RCA's, would the difference in gain on the XLR (34db vs 28db) have any affect here? Or is my only option an attenuator on the RCA's? I guess this is just the product of a highly efficient speaker and a powerful amp. I'll also admit I do not understand a lot about that difference in gain.
Sounds like it may be an issue with the sub's level control. How is the sub channel being set in comparison to the fronts?
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I set them individually in the menu at 74-75db (I have two), and then when complete the subs were -9.0, a little less than the fronts.

Are you thinking bring the gain down on the sub, to say 70db, and then running. For reason I did not think they affected each other, being audyssey does what it can to set each one at 75db individually.

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I set them individually in the menu at 74-75db (I have two), and then when complete the subs were -9.0, a little less than the fronts.

Are you thinking bring the gain down on the sub, to say 70db, and then running. For reason I did not think they affected each other, being audyssey does what it can to set each one at 75db individually.
I'd let Audyssey set the levels as a starting point and see what happens. But I'd also turn the sub's gain down first. Do that at the sub, not in the Marantz. I've found that auto setup routines seem to work best when the sub is set so that it winds up close to 0db in the results.

Anyhow, let Audyssey set levels and try using that for a while, see if you like the results. Put the db meter away for now. Levels are relative, so it doesn't really mater what they are as long as they are correctly adjusted in relation to each other.
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I'd let Audyssey set the levels as a starting point and see what happens. But I'd also turn the sub's gain down first. Do that at the sub, not in the Marantz. I've found that auto setup routines seem to work best when the sub is set so that it winds up close to 0db in the results.

Anyhow, let Audyssey set levels and try using that for a while, see if you like the results. Put the db meter away for now. Levels are relative, so it doesn't really mater what they are as long as they are correctly adjusted in relation to each other.
I actually went up on the sub gain because audyssey gave me an error and said to get them higher. I can override that and put each back down a little. Maybe that will solve the issue.

My only concern here is -12 is as far as it can go down, so the new center (if it needs more adjustment) won't be able to do it. Center being 2 db higher than fronts would be a little issue.

Thanks for the input, the sub adjustment is an easy try, and its free!

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I actually went up on the sub gain because audyssey gave me an error and said to get them higher. I can override that and put each back down a little. Maybe that will solve the issue.

My only concern here is -12 is as far as it can go down, so the new center (if it needs more adjustment) won't be able to do it. Center being 2 db higher than fronts would be a little issue.

Thanks for the input, the sub adjustment is an easy try, and its free!
Yes, this is a product of having a mix of very efficient speakers with some that are not as efficient. Audyssey can only go down to -12 (and yours may need -18 or so). The best way since you're using outboard amps is to and an attenuator in line with the speakers (your center in this case). Harrison Labs makes several, not sure which one you'll need (-3db, -6db, and -12db).

12db: http://www.parts-express.com/harriso...-pair--266-244

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Yes, this is a product of having a mix of very efficient speakers with some that are not as efficient. Audyssey can only go down to -12 (and yours may need -18 or so). The best way since you're using outboard amps is to and an attenuator in line with the speakers (your center in this case). Harrison Labs makes several, not sure which one you'll need (-3db, -6db, and -12db).

12db: http://www.parts-express.com/harriso...-pair--266-244

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Thanks!

learning a lot this week.

At the advice of audyssey I used my checkmate SPL meter for some testing. I found the fronts to both be right around 75db, and the center was mayb 1/2db to a db louder. I am gonna go with the 6db model.

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Another issue I want to report is my 7500, as my 7125 did, is going thru waves of hum. The 7125 wasnt that loud but the 7500 can be VERY loud in a quiet room.

Thru testing, I found it to be directly related to whether the plasma was on or not, and the brighter the scene (more power consumption) the worse the hum. Doing more reading, it seems plasmas, especially pannys, can introduce DC voltage into the line. Using a multimeter I found this to be the case when the plasma was on, and it really went wonky on bright scenes.

I ordered a CMX-2 from emotiva since it is high current and is supposed to directly address the DC issue.

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Another issue I want to report is my 7500, as my 7125 did, is going thru waves of hum. The 7125 wasnt that loud but the 7500 can be VERY loud in a quiet room.

Thru testing, I found it to be directly related to whether the plasma was on or not, and the brighter the scene (more power consumption) the worse the hum. Doing more reading, it seems plasmas, especially pannys, can introduce DC voltage into the line. Using a multimeter I found this to be the case when the plasma was on, and it really went wonky on bright scenes.

I ordered a CMX-2 from emotiva since it is high current and is supposed to directly address the DC issue.

I have everything( Amp, Subs, TV..Sony KDL 55W900A,Oppo, B&O Turntable, Marantz 8801, Time Warner Cisco Box) going through a Furman Elite 15-DM... Its dead silent.
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I have everything( Amp, Subs, TV..Sony KDL 55W900A,Oppo, B&O Turntable, Marantz 8801, Time Warner Cisco Box) going through a Furman Elite 15-DM... Its dead silent.
That thing is badass. Wonder if it works on the DC voltage as well. If the Emotiva doesnt workout the DC issue like it claims, itll be going back...
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[QUOTE=gadgtfreek;33782857]That thing is badass. Wonder if it works on the DC voltage as well. If the Emotiva doesnt workout the DC issue like it claims, itll be going back...[/QUOTE


The Furman saved my system a few years back. After a huge electrical storm ,I noticed the blue light on the the main face was real bright. I had "tripped".. I was walking past it on my way to work and forgot all about it. Several days later I went to fire up the system and nothing would come on...Just had to power it down and it re-set itself. There was no damage done to any appliances or such in my home, but at any rate, the Furman did its job..
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I have heard good things about their stuff.

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Emotiva CMX2 fixed the problem!


Emotiva CMX-2 for Transformer Buzz/Hum

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A little surprised

There aren't more comments in this thread. Are Outlaw amps just not that popular? It seems that if you are looking for a "budget" quality amp you have two choices, Emotiva and Outlaw. I'm currently trying to decide between the Emotiva XPA-7 and Outlaw 7700. Are these two amps in the same ball park?

I like that the 7700 is fully balanced, the XPA-7 is not. I like that the XPA-7 is about $400-$500 less than the 7700. I'm a little concerned with some of the customer support "issues" I've read with Outlaw Audio.

Anyone with the 7700 care to chime in, let me know how things are going with your amp and if you'd ever take the XPA-7 over the 7700.
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There aren't more comments in this thread. Are Outlaw amps just not that popular? It seems that if you are looking for a "budget" quality amp you have two choices, Emotiva and Outlaw. I'm currently trying to decide between the Emotiva XPA-7 and Outlaw 7700. Are these two amps in the same ball park?

I like that the 7700 is fully balanced, the XPA-7 is not. I like that the XPA-7 is about $400-$500 less than the 7700. I'm a little concerned with some of the customer support "issues" I've read with Outlaw Audio.

Anyone with the 7700 care to chime in, let me know how things are going with your amp and if you'd ever take the XPA-7 over the 7700.
Sounds like you've been reading about Outlaw amps in the Emotiva forums.
Outlaw has excellent customer service, second to none.
There's a reason the 7700 costs more than the XPA-7.
But in most situations either one will serve you well. Most of the Outlaw models are built by ATI.
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Not much to post about when an amp works well and there's not much to tweak
Emo makes good amps, Outlaw based on information provided by others appears to use better materials, but whether that is of any benefit who knows. Resale is excellent for both and regarding customer service Emo has had its problems, but not with amps. Never read a post bashing Outlaw for poor customer service, but on the internet you can find just about anything. Own both - can't complain about either one. Outlaw is my favorite, but purely subjective.
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Not much to post about when an amp works well and there's not much to tweak
Emo makes good amps, Outlaw based on information provided by others appears to use better materials, but whether that is of any benefit who knows. Resale is excellent for both and regarding customer service Emo has had its problems, but not with amps. Never read a post bashing Outlaw for poor customer service, but on the internet you can find just about anything. Own both - can't complain about either one. Outlaw is my favorite, but purely subjective.
I'd choose Outlaw over Emotiva.
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I've dealt with Outlaw customer service twice. Both times it's been excellent and I'd not hesitate to buy from them again.
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Ditto. I bought a dodgy amp off ebay, and Outlaw got it squared away quickly and correctly for a very reasonable cost.
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Great to hear the positive responses to Outlaws customer service. After reading a couple negative comments regarding it, it is nice to hear others are happy with the service. It was the one thing holding me from pulling the trigger, well that and a sale Time to wait for the 7700 to shed some pounds and hopefully go on sale during the holidays.
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Great to hear the positive responses to Outlaws customer service. After reading a couple negative comments regarding it, it is nice to hear others are happy with the service. It was the one thing holding me from pulling the trigger, well that and a sale Time to wait for the 7700 to shed some pounds and hopefully go on sale during the holidays.
They occasionally have B-stock units available, give them a call.
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I'm debating between Emotiva XPA-5, Outlaw 5000 or Outlaw 7125. I have Klipsch RF7ii towers and my old marantz receiver is not able to drive those and I need an external amp

Is there any advantage of getting 200w over 125w amp
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I'm debating between Emotiva XPA-5, Outlaw 5000 or Outlaw 7125. I have Klipsch RF7ii towers and my old marantz receiver is not able to drive those and I need an external amp

Is there any advantage of getting 200w over 125w amp
Outlaw has B-Stock 7125 right now if that makes a difference. https://www.outlawaudio.com/mofcart/...15special.html
The Outlaw 5000 has generated a lot of praise.

I'd expect any of those choices to sound terrific.
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I would just point out to you without entering into a debate about 75 watts that Outlaw amps usually test a little higher than what they publish for output. More importantly there is a nice deal available on a B stock 7125 - Outlaw has had a few B stock items on sale over the past week or so. good luck.

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Thanks guys - Before asking my question, I saw great price for 7125 B-stock

This helped my decision making easy for Outlaw 7125
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I'd add that a 7125, while driving only 5 channels, till put out more than 125WPC. I don't know if there are any benchmarks around for that scenario.
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Anyone running a Model 5000?

I studied the indepth power tests on Audioholics and it seems to me it is a China made 5 channel 7125. Now I know that is oversimplifying ATI quality, but looking past that it is the best I can tell with the power output. I just do not need 7 channels so it seems logical to save the $$$ on what appears to be a great amp.

I see it is only 6" tall, how is it's heat output? I know the ATI Outlaws do not really get "hot".

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I have the 7700..It is made in the USA, however I do think the lower priced units are made in China to Outlaws specs. My 7700 is a 7 channel amp and I am using only 5 channels. I wanted the 7500 but they had sold out and I was told it would be several months before they would have more since they had to spec and test and do quality checks before they would allow to be sold. I thought that was a great policy and made me feel even better about their quality. I was disappointed since I wanted the 7500 and did not need 7700. I asked that since I wanted the 7500 if they could make me a deal I could not refuse on the 7700. It took a few hours but Outlaw called me back and offered to meet me in the middle and split the price difference between the 7700 and 7500. Well i could not refuse and I now have a beast of an amp.

What can I say....it does what it is supposed to. It does seem to run pretty warm, but I have in a cabinet. It by no means runs what I would consider dangerously hot. I did however, place cooling fans in my cabinet, but that was mainly for my Marantz AV8801 as it does get hot.

I love my Outlaw . It is built like a tank, looks good, simple form and function. It weighs nearly 100 lbs so be careful placing it on rack or in cabinet. Did I mention it is a beast?
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I had a 7500, very nice amp and runs cool, at least it did for me.

I thnk the 7700, 7500 and 7125 at ATI made in the USA, maybe the 7075 too. I know the monoblocks and the 5000 I just ordered are overseas.

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I've had a 7500 in service for about three years and I'm very happy with it. It drives a Monitor Audio Gold 5 way system along with a pair of 12" powered sub's. It is connected to an OPPO 105 that serves as a pre/pro, or control center, as well as a disc player. Set up is done with a tape measure and an old Radio Shack sound level meter. I have no convenient way to turn the amp on and off so it is on 24/7. It has plenty of space around it plus a Parasound Zbreeze Cooling System on top.

This thread got me to looking around and I see the Emotiva XPA-5, rated at 200 WPC and weighting 70 pounds and with a price of $799. Hard to beat.
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