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Recently bought Denon x4200w for new house to run my 7.2.2 setup. Looking at the Outlaw 5000 to run my front LCR? Any thoughts on remaining 2 channels to power?
I believe you're going to an all Klipsch system except for Micca overhead speakers. I believe they are 8 ohm, high efficiency speakers. Here are the possibilities:

1) Implement 5.2.2 and use the 4200 to drive your five floor level speakers (no surrounds backs) and two overhead speakers and forgo the external amp, or
2) Implement 7.2.2 and drive all seven of your floor level speakers with the 4200 and buy a low cost two channel external amp such as the AudioSouce AMP-100 to drive the two overhead speakers, or
3) Implement 5.2.4 (instead of 7.2.2) and use the Outlaw 5000 to drive your five floor level speakers and let the 4200 drive your four overhead speakers (yes, the 4200 internal amps can drive the Height2 speakers using the FW speaker posts if your Fronts are externally driven), or
4) Implement 7.2.2 and let the Outlaw 5000 drive the FL, C, FR, SL, SR and let the 4200 drive the two surround back speakers and the two overhead speakers, or
5) Implement 7.2.2 and only use 3/5 of the Outlaw 5000 channels for your FL, C, FR speakers and use the 4200 to drive the remaining four floor level and two overhead speakers , or
6) Implement 7.2.2 and pay the additional $400 and get an Outlaw 7125 seven channel amp to drive all seven of your floor level speakers and use the 4200 to drive your two overhead speakers, or
7) Implement 7.2.2, return the 4200 and buy a 6200 to drive your seven floor level and two overhead speakers and forego the external amp, or
8) Implement 5.2.4, return the 4200 and buy a 6200 to drive your five floor level and four overhead speakers and forgo the external amp, or
Wash, rinse, and repeat with the 6200 and an external amp for other scenarios such as 7.2.4.

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Just wanted to chime in on the Outlaw owner's thread. I've had a 7200 B Stock amp for a good number of years. No complaints. Dead silent, no humming ever. Only real issue is it does run pretty warm (about 110 or so) even at normal listening levels. It sits out in the open on a top shelf. I called Outlaw and they said I shouldn't really worry about it. The Harmon Kardon it replaced did not throw off any heat no matter how loud I played it. I did buy a small box fan. Problem solved. I sit about 15' away from it and hardly hear it. Very powerful and natural sounding. Adds no coloring at all to sound. Would definately buy from them again without hesitation.
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Heat kills electronics. Continuously running hot like that may mean a shorter product life. The fan was a good idea. I have the 7700 and it's never all that warm, sounds great too.
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Heat kills electronics. Continuously running hot like that may mean a shorter product life. The fan was a good idea. I have the 7700 and it's never all that warm, sounds great too.
Speaking of Outlaw, I just visited their Saloon and it's like a Ghost Town there.....no posts in over a week......Anyone know what's new as far as a processor from those guys?
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Just received my outlaw 5000 amp. I can hear a tiny hiss sound from the tweeter around 3-4 inches away, is that normal? I unplug the rca input from outlaw and the hiss sound still there. Plug the outlaw directly in the outlet hiss sound is still there. Everything is plug in the belkin power conditioner. I dont hear the hiss sound in my seating area, im a bit ocd . Setup is ascend acoustic raal towers, horizon and paradigm surround 3, anthem mrx300 pre.

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Just received my outlaw 5000 amp. I can hear a tiny hiss sound from the tweeter around 3-4 inches away, is that normal? I unplug the rca input from outlaw and the hiss sound still there. Plug the outlaw directly in the outlet hiss sound is still there. Everything is plug in the belkin power conditioner. I dont hear the hiss sound in my seating area, im a bit ocd . Setup is ascend acoustic raal towers, horizon and paradigm surround 3, anthem mrx300 pre.

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This raises many more questions, so there's no answer to the "is that normal" question. Best you should call Outlaw and let them walks you through this. Might be normal, might not be.
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Just received my outlaw 5000 amp. I can hear a tiny hiss sound from the tweeter around 3-4 inches away, is that normal? I unplug the rca input from outlaw and the hiss sound still there. Plug the outlaw directly in the outlet hiss sound is still there. Everything is plug in the belkin power conditioner. I dont hear the hiss sound in my seating area, im a bit ocd . Setup is ascend acoustic raal towers, horizon and paradigm surround 3, anthem mrx300 pre.

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With a hiss sound that's only detectable at 3-4 inches away, you are fine. Hopefully when you are unplugging your RCA's, everything is powered down though. I've got the Sierra 2 with the Raal tweeter, and they are sensitive and very detailed, as I'm sure you've experienced!
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Not sure what kinda speakers you have, but on my RF7ii's horns I have always been able to hear a hiss right by them, and that has been with two different amps.
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The 7700 was on sale for $1599 last week ($550 off). Unbelievable deal for a great amp. I paid full price in February. I hope some people took advantage of the deal.

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I own a 7125. The only issue I have with Outlaw is that I'm on the east coast and any amp related issue has to be sent back to ATI in CA, which isn't so economical. Wish they had an in-house tech for the Atlantic side of the house! ;-)
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I'm in the market for an amp and have seen several positive reviews for the Outlaw audio company and its 5000 amp. However, how is it an Internet direct company these days can have broken SSL cert processes (even a broken red lock on some Chrome versions) and not accept PayPal?!?

I tried to subscribe to their newsletter (which is broken and doesn't work) and found an email for them finally. I sent an email requesting pre-sales information that has gone unanswered and then I found their support ticketing system a few days later. Digging through the ticket archive I see a response from Outlaw on my ticket to use Amazon for the order. I really don't want to put my payment info through their outdated checkout so I may just pay higher shipping and use Amazon.com. I noticed their Facebook isn't set up for reviews and their saloon seems dead, so I was hoping to get some honest feedback from others who have done business with them.

I also may pursue other companies at this point. Have you all been comfortable submitting your info on this half secured/functional page... is it just me that isn't comfortable with all these issues?
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Their interface is dated, but everything else about them is top notch imo. Id have no worries buying from them.

What about activating the PayPal debit card linked to your account? Wouldn't that let you order via PayPal?
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I'm in the market for an amp and have seen several positive reviews for the Outlaw audio company and its 5000 amp. However, how is it an Internet direct company these days can have broken SSL cert processes (even a broken red lock on some Chrome versions) and not accept PayPal?!?
Seems like you could have saved a lot of time by just calling them.
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Their website is for sure outdated, but the equipment isnt.
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I'm in the market for an amp and have seen several positive reviews for the Outlaw audio company and its 5000 amp. However, how is it an Internet direct company these days can have broken SSL cert processes (even a broken red lock on some Chrome versions) and not accept PayPal?!?

I tried to subscribe to their newsletter (which is broken and doesn't work) and found an email for them finally. I sent an email requesting pre-sales information that has gone unanswered and then I found their support ticketing system a few days later. Digging through the ticket archive I see a response from Outlaw on my ticket to use Amazon for the order. I really don't want to put my payment info through their outdated checkout so I may just pay higher shipping and use Amazon.com. I noticed their Facebook isn't set up for reviews and their saloon seems dead, so I was hoping to get some honest feedback from others who have done business with them.

I also may pursue other companies at this point. Have you all been comfortable submitting your info on this half secured/functional page... is it just me that isn't comfortable with all these issues?
Hmmm... one post newbie, who joined in Feb, with an ax to grind.

I went through the checkout process until I had to commit to the order. No security issues reported by chrome browser. I went the extra step to check the security of their order page. Chrome reported:
Security Overview
This page is secure (valid HTTPS).
Valid Certificate
The connection to this site is using a valid, trusted server certificate.
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Secure Resources
All resources on this page are served securely.


Their "Saloon" is pretty quiet normally, probably because Outlaw's customers are very satisfied with their products and customer service. I know I am. I own a 7125.

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I will look into paypal debit cards as that is something I didn't consider, thank you for the idea.

Super like anything you want but just because I haven't posted at these forums doesn't make me a newbie with an axe to grind. I assumed I might get some of this in a owners thread so that is my fault. I'm not here to defend myself, but I will point out for anyone that cares to understand it, while things may have been green in your choice of browser that doesn't mean they are in everyone's as each vendor determines how this is presented. Google is in fact flagging it red in some versions. If you care to learn more feel free to runtheir site through SSLLABS DOT COM (I can't link it because I'm just a newb) and then look into whether TLS 1.0 is considered secure these days. If you choose to throw your credit card out on the Internet after that then that is on you.
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Yawn.

I ran all the way to paying and https stayed green, running Chrome 52, newest update.

This falls under if you are that worried about it, don't shop on the net at all.

Plenty of secure companies been hacked. I also don't think you have an axe to grind, I just think you need to shop in store with cash.
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I will look into paypal debit cards as that is something I didn't consider, thank you for the idea.

Super like anything you want but just because I haven't posted at these forums doesn't make me a newbie with an axe to grind. I assumed I might get some of this in a owners thread so that is my fault. I'm not here to defend myself, but I will point out for anyone that cares to understand it, while things may have been green in your choice of browser that doesn't mean they are in everyone's as each vendor determines how this is presented. Google is in fact flagging it red in some versions. If you care to learn more feel free to runtheir site through SSLLABS DOT COM (I can't link it because I'm just a newb) and then look into whether TLS 1.0 is considered secure these days. If you choose to throw your credit card out on the Internet after that then that is on you.
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Just call them. Seems like people these days are afraid to talk to a live person to buy things,talking to someone will get you the latest information and it might get you a discount if you ask.


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I don't know why anyone would care if your CC data is stolen. Legally you are at most liable for $50 of fraudulent charges in the USA. Low risk.

And I would be shocked if any credit card company would make you pay that. I never have. I have a card number stolen about once a year.

They all wash away the fraud. Shop with confidence.
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Is it really so difficult to pick up the phone?
They're nice folks to talk to, really. They don't hardly ever bite.
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I have no problem calling them, it was after hours previously. More than likely a phone order just goes through the same system I would use online except they are pushing the keys. It's not a liability issue either. My point is I wouldn't shop for Lamborghini's at Bobby Bolivia's Finest Quality Used Cars and Petting Zoo and that is a bit how this feels to me.

I don't want to derail the thread any further, so I appreciate the feedback.
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My point is I wouldn't shop for Lamborghini's at Bobby Bolivia's Finest Quality Used Cars and Petting Zoo and that is a bit how this feels to me.
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Not much experience with internet-direct hardware makers I take it.

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Savings are passed to the customer, being the point. And you get real-person service and support like you get nowhere else.
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I'm in the market for an amp and have seen several positive reviews for the Outlaw audio company and its 5000 amp. However, how is it an Internet direct company these days can have broken SSL cert processes (even a broken red lock on some Chrome versions) and not accept PayPal?!?

I tried to subscribe to their newsletter (which is broken and doesn't work) and found an email for them finally. I sent an email requesting pre-sales information that has gone unanswered and then I found their support ticketing system a few days later. Digging through the ticket archive I see a response from Outlaw on my ticket to use Amazon for the order. I really don't want to put my payment info through their outdated checkout so I may just pay higher shipping and use Amazon.com. I noticed their Facebook isn't set up for reviews and their saloon seems dead, so I was hoping to get some honest feedback from others who have done business with them.

I also may pursue other companies at this point. Have you all been comfortable submitting your info on this half secured/functional page... is it just me that isn't comfortable with all these issues?
I own their 7700 amp and am very happy with its performance. Although I do wish it had a gain control knob as I've had to install attenuators in order to use Audyssey calibration on my processor.

In terms of their website, I do agree with the OP. For a direct sales company that relies on the internet for a lot of their business they DEFINITELY could use a website update. A business's website is a direct reflection of their operation, at least in my eyes. It is like walking into a brick and mortar store, if it's run down and dated you don't have a lot of confidence as a buyer.

Perhaps Outlaw is going for the old diner down the street look. Run down and shoddy looking on the outside with some of the best food in town on the inside lol.
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Another new 5000 owner

Add me to the list of 5000 owners. Bought it this week to fully separate the amplification from my Denon 4100 AVR and lower the heat on the AVR. Amp is in the basement where it is cool and wide open. I was previously running the center and rears on the Denon 4100 and using an Emotiva 2 channel amp (UPA 2) for the fronts, but decided to fully separate all 5 channels from the AVR with the outlaw 5000. So now I have a spare Emotiva 2 channel to boot!

Amp arrived very quickly by Fedex - like 3 or 4 days. Was not expecting that. This thing is HEAVY. Close to 50 pounds. It was fun lifting it up into my ceiling level shelf in the basement!

So far, very happy with it. The sounds seems more consistent and evenly powered having all 5 speakers on the same amp. Maybe a little more power too from the 5000 then the former Denon / Emotiva hybrid power. I seem to get the same loudness at a few ticks lower on the volume setting now. Not enough to make a huge difference, but just a small little bonus.

I'm a little sad that this thing will live in the basement and never be seen, since it is a good looking front. I guess it will be heard and not seen. But locating it in the basement was the best thing to do for aesthetics in the living room and heat in the cabinet.
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I went from my AVR driving 9 channels+cheap 2ch amp for my atmos 7.2.4 setup to my 5000 driving the front 5 and the avr handling rears and Atmos and it's been great! The front channels are effortlessly loud but the biggest difference for me was the surround speakers and Atmos- I think it was too much for my avr to drive everything well. Much cleaner surround envelope.

Had some fun the other day when I unknowingly hit the amp button messing with some other stuff and turned it off. Tried to watch a movie on AppleTV later and didn't have any dialogue!

Been happily rocking the 5000 for about 2 years now.
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We're considering buying one of the 7125 Outlaw amps, as we setup our first HT + audio combo.

We are looking for it to drive the Yamaha CX-A5000 pre/pro, plus Sonus Faber Cremona M's (4 ohm), plus a pair of outside speakers. We plan to add a sub later, and a set of rear speakers for a 5.1 system.

Any thoughts on the Outlaw as the amp for this setup?
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