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Wow - with $300 receivers now able to process at least 5.1 PCM through HDMI, I can't believe NAD did not include it in the T765 (and T755).
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Will confirm once my T785 arrives..

Ney, when did your shop say they will have the 775/785 in stock??

I have not asked them that yet, but their webpage says they expect them ultimo november, wich really is a long time to wait for me, when I have just gotten used to having surround and not Stereo Still undecided on the situation.
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Wow - with $300 receivers now able to process at least 5.1 PCM through HDMI, I can't believe NAD did not include it in the T765 (and T755).

Yes I am stunned as well, I just wrote NAD and told them of the misinformation on their news page. So lets see if they bother to correct it.
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that's too bad. I wonder if HDMI audio will be available as a module upgrade? All of the feature modules on the T 7x5 line look to be identical. If this is the case, it would be nice if they gave you some sort of a discount since the website has some very confusing and contradictory information. Maybe when they say that HDMI is for video only, they are referring to the fact that only HDMI 1.3 supports the new lossless surround formats--to my knowledge only version 1.3 can pass the lossless bitstream. Still, any HDMI interface should support lossless PCM multichannel audio...
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Yes, and this means that the 765 wont support new codecs like the DTS-HD Master Audio am I right? Or can it still be played by PCM over coax if the player can decode it?
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Is the 775 manual online anywhere?

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Yes, and this means that the 765 wont support new codecs like the DTS-HD Master Audio am I right? Or can it still be played by PCM over coax if the player can decode it?

if the t 765 won't take any audio over HDMI, then there is no way it can get the full DTS-HD stream. If your player can decode the DTS-HD and mix it into stereo PCM, then technically you would be able to hear the audio from a DTS-HD master audio mix using a toslink or spdif interface, but you certainly wouldn't be hearing it in full bandwidth/resolution, which would basically defeat the purpose of listening to a DTS-HD track.

Still, NAD would need to confirm, but it is probably upgradeable. However, I don't understand why they would include HDMI for video switching only. It's a bad move in a competitive marketplace.
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Well that is what the T775 and T785 are for. They can accept audio via HDMI and can be upgraded with decoders if necessary at a later time.
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Well that is what the T775 and T785 are for. They can accept audio via HDMI and can be upgraded with decoders if necessary at a later time.

Agree, If LPCM is a feature you need, then buy a T775/T785/T175 which actually support 8 channels of LPCM over HDMI. The T765 is a simple HDMI switch ... "3 1080p HDMI Video Inputs switch to 1 Output."

Not everyone requires 8 channels of LPCM over HDMI, so I can still can see a demand for this product (ie. music listeners that listen to CDs and watch the occasional movie). Also, if you don't need the feature, why would you want to pay for it...
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Well that is what the T775 and T785 are for. They can accept audio via HDMI and can be upgraded with decoders if necessary at a later time.

Anyone got any better news regarding the release of these units other than late November
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It's end of Oct. for the 775; end of Nov. for the 785
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It's end of Oct. for the 775; end of Nov. for the 785

I just heard from Nad that the T785 anticipated release, is the end of this month in the UK
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That's what the dealer told me when I ordered the T775, end of this month
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I'm coming from a Pioneer Elite 84TX, looking for a noticeable upgrade in sound quality. I know that the only way to figure this out is via comparing myself via listening. However, I only have one NAD dealer close to me and he said he probably won't even stock the 785 b/c "there just aren't a lot of people shopping for receivers in that price range." So it wil be virtually impossible for me to listen to the NAD unless I just purchase it first.

I'd be interested to hear from anyone who's made such a comparison or upgrade to see if they felt it was significant. We're talking almost double the MSRP from the Pioneer 94TX to the NAD T785.

I know the power supplies are reported to be far superior, but can anyone comment on if/how that translates audibly in a normal size room? My rig is about 99% home theater, using DefTech monitors and a JL Audio Fathom f113 sub, room is 15x18x8.

Spending more than double to upgrade my sub was more than worth it, it changed my whole experience. Just trying to get a feel for whether a receiver upgrade to the NAD would be a noticeable change or an incremental upgrade. Thanks!
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Agree, If LPCM is a feature you need, then buy a T775/T785/T175 which actually support 8 channels of LPCM over HDMI. The T765 is a simple HDMI switch ... "3 1080p HDMI Video Inputs switch to 1 Output."

Not everyone requires 8 channels of LPCM over HDMI, so I can still can see a demand for this product (ie. music listeners that listen to CDs and watch the occasional movie). Also, if you don't need the feature, why would you want to pay for it...

I agree to a point, however I still think it would have been a good move to include support for audio through hdmi on the t765. audio over hdmi is probably going to become a standard method of transmission in the future, and anyone who buys the t765 is already behind the 8-ball without it.
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It's end of Oct. for the 775; end of Nov. for the 785

Thats correct Robert - I have just got an update that the T785 will begin production end of Oct/beginning NOV. You will have to allow shipping on top of this so end of November/beginning Dec for release
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It appears the T775, T875 and the new processor have been delayed, at least thats the news Im getting from local distributors here in Australia. We have been given a time frame of December, so it may be a few weeks earlier for you guys in the U S of A.

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I just bought the latest issue of Home Theater Magazine (November 2007), I was amazed (and happy) to see a full page ad for the new "AV receiver" line. There is a nice photo featuring what looks to be a T-785. Below is a few paragraphs taken from previous NAD product release's- ie. "Power Of Simplicity", etc.,...

This is very good
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One thing I like is the fact they are staying away from the video processing. I prefer to keep video processing out of my audio equipment. I wish Rotel was not gravitating toward this.
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Just moved on from an Onkyo 905 as I was not impressed with the sound - it couldn't drive my big mission 775's the way my old Yamaha
A2 could!

I am considering a NAD 775/785 as I had an old 3020 at College (many moons ago) and it is still going strong in my mates garage but I am worried what I will lose out on compared to the new receivers from the likes of Sony, Denon and Yamaha etc?

I have also just sold my DVDO VP50 processor as I was hoping that my new amp could cope with video as well, although I dont need upscaling for my HD sources , PS3 for Blu ray and Tosh HD DVD but would welcome it for a standard SD s video feed from a humax freeview player.

All my video sources go to my Sony Pearl Projector via hdmi.

The big question is this;

What will I lose in HD video and audio if I go with the NAD as opposed to one of the other amps with all the bells and whistles, etc

All advice welcomed!

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What will I lose in HD video and audio if I go with the NAD as opposed to one of the other amps with all the bells and whistles, etc

the Onkyo had the Reon HQV video processing and of course you will not be getting that in the NAD. However, NAD's position--and in my opinion it is a valid one--is that video processing is best left out of the receiver since there is already a video processor in your player and your display. Why add another one into the chain? Although at first the video processing of the Onkyo was something that attracted me to it, I have since changed my thinking. NAD makes a valid point here.

NAD seems to concentrate on one thing with their audio products: sound. Again, in my opinion, this is an advantage rather than a detriment.

it would be a matter of subjective opinion, but some would say that the NAD amplifier and power supply components are superior to the other receivers you mention. That is my opinion, anyway.

Lastly, the NAD T785/T775/T765T175 are all modular and upgradeable (according to the NAD website), so as new technologies are available there will actually be an upgrade path. Most receivers cannot make this claim.

I for one was considering an Onkyo 905 and have since changed my mind: I have a T775 on order and it should arrive this Wednesday.
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What will I lose in HD video and audio if I go with the NAD as opposed to one of the other amps with all the bells and whistles, etc

one other thing you won't get out of the box is Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio decoding. For me this wasn't a major problem as I will be using this with a PS3, and it does the decoding.

Of course, the PS3 does not yet decode the full DTS-HD track, but there rumors popping up that sony is planning on providing a software update for DTS-HD decoding before Christmas.

Back to the NAD -- eventually NAD will likely release upgrades for decoding these formats directly. Ultimately, not having support for these codecs out of the box means very little.

Does anyone know if the NAD T775 will decode a DSD bitstream for SACD?
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What will I lose in HD video and audio if I go with the NAD as opposed to one of the other amps with all the bells and whistles, etc


I keep forgetting to include things here

no network connection in the NAD either. To me this wasn't a big deal. Having a UPnP player in a receiver is actually a nice feature, but I have other equipment for doing this (slimdevices Slimserver and Squeezebox--Neither of these supports UPnP...yet.)

I just sold a NAD 214 amp that I used for stereo listening, and I loved that amplifier more than any other amp I've ever had (yamaha, adcom, denon, harmon/kardon, sony...) This was a big factor in my choice of receiver.

Your setup is almost identical to mine, with a PS3 and a Sony Pearl projector. I'll let you know my opinion after the T775 arrives.
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Hi Jnc1,

Thanks very much for that - very useful!

I too want my amp primarily for the sound and this is where I think the 905 let me down. It isn't that it is bad - just that it compared less favourably to my A2 and lacked oomph!

You can read more about my thoughts (and others) on the 905 here:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=605773

I will be really, really interested in your views on the 775.

Is the only difference between the 775 and the 785 an increase in power as the price in the UK for the 775 is more comparable with the 905 - around $2850 compared to $3670 for the 785

I know - and dont get us brits started on this one - loads more than you guys pay

I have 2 subs, a Yamaha 320 and a SVS 12 and all of my speakers are missions and they need a lot of driving - certainly the front two -775's and the 905 just didn't do them justice or work them the way I know they can.

Thanks again for the response!

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Other than the power difference between the T775 and T785, which is less than 1 dBW on every spec, the two rec'rs use different remotes, described briefly on the NAD site.

It seems the remote for the T785 would be more useable as a whole system remote than the T775, but it's hard to tell. The T785 remote has an LCD display and the T775 remote does not. Of course, if you are already using your own universal remote, this is meaningless.

One definite advantage to the T775 is that it will be available a month earlier than the T785 at least in the US.

Unless the remote is crucial to you, I am hard pressed to justify spending US$500 for the T785 over the T775 for the minimal incease in real power. I'd be even harder pressed to justify the $820 premium you would have to pay in the UK.
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I have 2 subs, a Yamaha 320 and a SVS 12 and all of my speakers are missions and they need a lot of driving - certainly the front two -775's and the 905 just didn't do them justice or work them the way I know they can.

No problem, Gary

I have B&W's, which are probably not as hard to drive as your missions, but B&W's are, in my experience, typically not very efficient. I am looking forward to an amp that will finally be able to do them justice.

I'll let you know what I think when I've had a chance to play around with the t775. The last posting noted that the remote is different between the two units, but other than that, yes: the only difference is power as far as I can tell.
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I'd be even harder pressed to justify the $820 premium you would have to pay in the UK.

Thanks Robert - and I absolutely agree!

I will be waiting for the reviews on the 775 with eager anticipation!

Seems like NAD have overestimated the importance of the remote if the power differential is so little in real terms?

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I'll let you know what I think when I've had a chance to play around with the t775. The last posting noted that the remote is different between the two units, but other than that, yes: the only difference is power as far as I can tell.

Good stuff can't wait for your views in regards to the T775

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Thanks Robert - and I absolutely agree!

I will be waiting for the reviews on the 775 with eager anticipation!

Seems like NAD have overestimated the importance of the remote if the power differential is so little in real terms?

Hi, Gary - blimey only live down the road from you

Interesting that the 905 was underpowered for your Mission 775's - I presumed all the missions were good in the sensitivity department (i had a few pairs of Mission floor standing Argonauts over the years and they had unbelievable sensitivity.

I think the Nad will be a sure step up to the Onkyo - I have the T785 on order

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Good stuff can't wait for your views in regards to the T775

I just confirmed that the T775 is in the mail. Should have it on wednesday.
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I wonder if those who are more in the know in regards to these two units could explain in more detail some of the reasons if would be well worth it to spend the extra money and go with the 775 instead of the 765.
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