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Well I thought I would start a thread about the new soon to be released NAD receivers with HDMI 1.3. I for one am very excited about these units and look forward to them being released. Here is what we have so far:

NAD T775 MSRP $2499



NAD T785 MSRP $2999



Comparison of the new lineup:
http://www.jbstanton.com/Resources/NAD.pdf

NAD Q&A of new receiver lineup:
http://www.audioproducts.com.au/down...ber%202007.pdf
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Good! I hope to God they roll out enough for supply and shaft Onkyo/Integra. I’m still waiting for somebody in my area to get in an Integra 9.8. I’m pissed off enough to hope NAD rolls in and steels all the customers. At least I have another good option now.
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I am excited about the T775. I was going to get a Rotel RSX-1058 but I may wait until the NAD comes out. I really like this modular design approach they have gone to. Anyone have any info on these units shipping?
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Nice. I think it's time to upgrade
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According to my local dealer, all 3 of NAD's T7x5 receivers should be shipping witbin the next month...but you know how estimates like that go. If they're anything like Rotel, it could be alot longer!
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According to my local dealer, all 3 of NAD's T7x5 receivers should be shipping witbin the next month...but you know how estimates like that go. If they're anything like Rotel, it could be alot longer!

I doubt they will be delayed much longer. Info seems to be coming from multiple sources that they will be shipping soon so we should be getting more reports shortly. I am looking at the 775 very strongly!
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The product description for the T775 states that the HDMI inputs are video and audio. Any guesses how this unit would handle Dolby True HD feed via LPCM from a PS3?
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The product description for the T775 states that the HDMI inputs are video and audio. Any guesses how this unit would handle Dolby True HD feed via LPCM from a PS3?

Since the PS3 has a Dolby True HD decoder, it will simply handle it as 8 channels of LPCM.
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The product description for the T775 states that the HDMI inputs are video and audio. Any guesses how this unit would handle Dolby True HD feed via LPCM from a PS3?

Well we can hope that it will be able to add PLIIx decoding, bass management, and speaker distances but we probably won't know that until it is actually in someone's hands.
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Do any of the new NAD's offer HDCD decoding, like older ones did?
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None of the NAD include DD HD DTS HD decoders but there could be ugrade (hard or soft) next year though we know how upgrades come and go (cf the infamous ONKYO 5000 saga)
i think the NAD are overpriced compared to the ONKYO (well the ONKYO are a bit underpriced)
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FYI I just saw a dealer online saying they have T765's in stock. I am waiting for the T175 myself, but thought others may want to know.
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None of the NAD include DD HD DTS HD decoders but there could be ugrade (hard or soft) next year though we know how upgrades come and go (cf the infamous ONKYO 5000 saga)
i think the NAD are overpriced compared to the ONKYO (well the ONKYO are a bit underpriced)

Well decoders can be added as you stated as well as other things in the future. This is the beauty of this modular design NAD had implemented. As far as the NAD being over priced compared to the Onkyo: I don't think that can be determined until the NAD is released and there could be a controlled listening comparison between the two.
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Do any of the new NAD's offer HDCD decoding, like older ones did?

It looks like no unfortunately. I am not surprised as this seems to be another dying format.
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Just have to use a player capable of decoding HDCD, as well as DD-HD and DTS-HD.
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Using a player capable of decoding HDCD is only effective if you use the ANALOG OUTPUTS of that player, which makes for a a couple of extra D/A conversions, not a good solution.

You generally want the receiver to decode HDCD so you can feed it the CD data digitally. If the receiver/prepro DON'T decode HDCD, and you feed the signal via TOSLINK, COAX or HDMI to your receiver/prepro, you won't get HDCD decoding.

Sending the signal out digitally bypasses the source devices DAC's and it will NOT decode the HDCD data at all.
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The backside of the 765 http://www.hifiklubben.com/image/pro...T765GR_2_m.jpg
The 775 http://www.hifiklubben.com/image/pro...T775GR_2_m.jpg
And finally the big boy http://www.hifiklubben.com/image/pro...T785GR_2_m.jpg

As to decoder options it will have the following Dolby Digital/EX, PLII/x, DTS/-ES/Neo:6/ 96/24.

Also it will feature an autocalibration by TI-Audyssey (it comes with a calibration mic).

And as I can tell it features 7.1 PCM via HDMI so the ps3 owners should be fully able to enjoy their Dolby True HD stuff.

I dont know what kind of bass maneegement it features, but dont ya think there will be something?

Anyway, they certanly look nice, and I'm looking forward to listening to the 765 (even though its a bit expensive with me being at university )
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There are reports of the 785 shipping in the T175 thread. Would love to hear when someone finally gets their hands on one.
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Ney that link for the T785 doesn't seem to work
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Sorry, mistype on my behalf. Should work now.
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First round of T775s already received and sold out at several dealers that I checked with here in the states. Ordering mine next week for the (hopefully) next wave
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Wow nice! Hopefully one of those people is an AVSforum member!
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Im going to listen to the 765 Wednesday against a Denon 3808, they set them up last friday, but they wernt calibrated and the speakers were right out of the box, the dealer promised to let them play over night for a few days and calibrate them to be ready today. (will listen to them on the new B&W 600-series as i own some of the old ones myself and plan to put them in surround.)
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Im going to listen to the 765 Wednesday against a Denon 3808, they set them up last friday, but they wernt calibrated and the speakers were right out of the box, the dealer promised to let them play over night for a few days and calibrate them to be ready today. (will listen to them on the new B&W 600-series as i own some of the old ones myself and plan to put them in surround.)

Look forward to your views on this shoot out, although isn't the 765 cheaper than the Denon by some dollar.
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Over here (Denmark) The 765 and the 3808 cost exactly the same (2 266.USD). But we also got crazy sales taxes etc, so might very well be there is a price difference in the states. (And my dealer does not have the 775 and 785 on demo yet).
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I ordered two 785s a week ago and was told they would be in in about 6 weeks (from Canada). I'm going from B&K AVR507s to the NADs, so I will be very interested in the sound quality between them.

I personally believe that NAD and B&K make the only (affordable) rec'rs with outstanding sound quality.

In an Ultimate AV review of a now discontinued NAD rec'r, the reviewer compared the NAD rec'r to Halo PreAmp and PowerAmp costing 4X as much, and heard little difference!
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www.ultimateavmag.com/avreceivers/1104nad/
www.hometheatermag.com/receivers/105nad/
http://www.soundstage.com/surrounded...nded200411.htm
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazin...04/nadt763.htm

There is also a review a www.avrev.com but the direct link does not work. Go to Equipment Reviews, and then Receivers.
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Ok I just came home from a listening test between NAD 765 and Denon 3808, both costing exactly the same in local currency.

Setup: Room approx 4x6 meters (monitor being on the short end)
TV: Samsung around 40" (didnt check exact specs as i was there for the sound), but one of their nicer ones
DVD player Denon 1940 which did the upscaling (nice player btw, the upscaler didnt seem to suffer from any bad things as one might think after reading these forums)

Speakers: 5.0 setup (i dont own a sub myself so we turned it off)
Front: B&W DM 684
Center: B&W HTM62
Back: B&W DM606/605 (i forgot which sorry)

Test material: Saving Private Ryan (Omaha beach scene) and some various music.

Usability: Regarding both, I wasnt really impressed at all I must admit. But heck you just have to set up the thing once, and I am not impressed by the audessy in these units (and im not the only one it seems :P). So really no pros or cons here, autodection of playmode seemed to work fine on both units.

Features: Since we let the DVD handle the scaling I cant really comment on that part, but its the same chip in the Denon DVD and Amp, and from what I could tell it was quite good. Also the Denon got a bit extra connectors and can scale analog sources to HDMI wich the 765 can't do (the 775 and 785 should however do this).
In the feature departmen I'd much rather have the Denon, because then you dont have to think about your source, it can be component or hdmi and 460i or 1080p it doesnt matter. But with the NAD you need to think. And I didnt even get to see the Denons network function.

And now to the important part surround-sound!
Denon first:
When you increase the volume when the soldiers exit their ships on the beach, it feels good. The voices are clearly heard, dynamics seemed good. All in all the scene was enjoyable, and it was clear that the surround was on. But I wern't blown away, I knew that i had turned off the sub so I might lack some punch. But I still didnt feel like I was listening to a surround system with a total value exeeding 4k$ (estimate).

So over to the NAD:
From the first granade landing it was very obvious that NAD spend their money where it counts, the punch! Suddenly the B&W's awoke from their slumber and played like they should! The bass turned from soft and silent, to snappy and loud, without increasing the volume of the rest, or sacrifice clarity.

The same thing was painfully obvious on stereo music, the Denon clearly lacked the power to drive the DM684 well.

And thus my conclusion is clear, if you got floor speakers that are a bit tough to drive (like the B&W's seems to be), stay well clear of the Denon, the extra bells and whistles really do not make up for the loss in audio quality. And if the video scaling is important the larger NAD's should feature this (with an increased cost ofcourse).

I got myself the NAD, and the Denon1940 to go with it (the NAD DVD player sucked value/$ wise), and will hopefully recieve them on friday

ps. I think the Denon would work great with smaller 2-way shelf speakers like maybe a Dali Concept 2/1 set and a sub.
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if you got floor speakers that are a bit tough to drive (like the B&W's seems to be), stay well clear of the Denon, the extra bells and whistles really do not make up for the loss in audio quality. And if the video scaling is important the larger NAD's should feature this (with an increased cost ofcourse).
I think the Denon would work great with smaller 2-way shelf speakers like maybe a Dali Concept 2/1 set and a sub

very interesting, thanks for your input.

I guess the Denon, combined with a decent multi-channel amp should work well to drive [any] speakers, then you would have all the neat features as well (but at a bigger price).

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I got myself the NAD, and the Denon1940 to go with it

cool! I use three NAD C272 amp's (150W X 2 each), combined with a Yamaha RX-V2700 receiver (as pre-pro), and a Denon DVD-3930CI player. It's a sweet sounding set-up. However I've pre-ordered the new T175 pre-pro. Can't wait to hear difference between NAD and Yamaha pre-amp.

I only wish the T175 had built-in etherNET/PC interface to be able to stream music from my WIN-MEDIA music archive.
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Well a Preamp solution is a whole different league I'd say
But if the 765 is any indikation on the 175 performance I think you are in for a treat

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