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post #61 of 122 Old 04-15-2008, 05:53 AM
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Any news on release date for AVR707? At one point, someone at B&K told me 90 days after the release of the Ref. 70.
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I dont know where you get your informaton but I hear its 14 days

Daniel - Your source must be hanging out on the backlot of Fox News, because clearly he's wrong. My source was absolutely authoritative that it was two weeks.

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Retail price for the Ref 70 is $3798. It currently is in QC status and will be released when ready.




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Daniel - Your source must be hanging out on the backlot of Fox News, because clearly he's wrong. My source was absolutely authoritative that it was two weeks.

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Retail price for the Ref 70 is $3798. It currently is in QC status and will be released when ready.

Wow; If that's true, that's more than twice what I paid (after tax) for a Ref 50 new from an authorized dealer a little over four years ago. I expect a modest price increase, but a doubling was a little more than I had budgeted for.
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Any word on the price of the AVR707?
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I contacted B&K just a few minutes ago. They are anticipating the release of the Reference 70 by the end of May. I asked if they had list prices on the equipment and they told me to contact my dealer. I did. My dealer doesn't yet have prices, but is meeting with their B&K rep on May 5th. The meeting is to cover the new product line. My dealer expects to have pricing and additional info at that time. We are getting closer! Just wanted to pass along the update. I am really hoping the list price of the Pre/Pro is similar to the current model!!
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My dealer contacted B&K yesterday. He tells me the Ref70 was pushed back until late summer. So who knows. At least by then some other gear will be available to chek out.
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Spoke to B&K today. Was told Ref. 70 release date was mid-May, with rec'r to follow 60 to 90 days later. Pricing on new units was being decided in a meeting today.
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It's June, any updates? There is nothing on the site.

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its interesting to read the posts about how B&k says early May and then someone posts "no its the middle of May" and then someone posts "no its the end of May" and course we are now in June and I read somewhere in about two weeks or at the worst 14 days

In one respect I am glad they are releasing it once they feel its perfect instead of releasing it early just to make people happy. ON the other hand, it was supposed to be released in March which is about 3 months ago and we were supposed to get all the missing codecs around this period of time.

To be honest, my main concern is the video portion of it as B&K as far as I know has never done video like this before and while they may have a good chip in it, I would assume that a good scaler is more than just its parts. I hope they have someone internally that knows what they are doing. Let me put it this way, just about every scaler out there that comes out has about a 6 month shake out period before the software has stablized. The Lumagen HDP line had about one update a week for about 6 months and they are experts at this. You have to wonder what a company like B&K is doing to make it work out of the box


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It's June, any updates? There is nothing on the site.

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Based on the information we've gotten so far, I don't personally see why anybody would buy it. Maybe they figured that out and are reconsidering the feature set.

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I don't know if it has been posted, but I received a 2-page pdf fact sheet yesterday. I can't seem to paste it in a reply here. PM me if you would like it e-mailed to you. Also confirmed 3800.00 MSRP, and the rep insisted it will be shipping in June. Also spoke with a dealer that claims 3 will be in his shop by week's end. Supposedly, the first run is spoken for.
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Based on the information we've gotten so far, I don't personally see why anybody would buy it. Maybe they figured that out and are reconsidering the feature set.

I could see the "informed" here at AVS shunning it because it doesn't have everything but that is not a good representation of the general public at all. most b&k customers of the past will base their buying decisions (and probably quite a few that want to upgrade now as the ref 50 and s2 have been out for years) on the dealers advice. If they have been happy (as many b&k customers of the past are) they will probably look favorably at buying a ref70.
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I could see the "informed" here at AVS shunning it because it doesn't have everything but that is not a good representation of the general public at all.

I would maintain that the general public isn't going to be buying a $3800 preamp in the first place. They're still looking for the $65 DVD player at Walmart.

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I don't know if it has been posted, but I received a 2-page pdf fact sheet yesterday. I can't seem to paste it in a reply here. PM me if you would like it e-mailed to you. Also confirmed 3800.00 MSRP, and the rep insisted it will be shipping in June. Also spoke with a dealer that claims 3 will be in his shop by week's end. Supposedly, the first run is spoken for.

Did the dealer you spoke to have any news about a trade-in program for owners of the Ref 50?

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Did the dealer you spoke to have any news about a trade-in program for owners of the Ref 50?

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I did not get into that, as I do not have a REF 50. I will see what I can find out.
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Hope they get off their arse and release this thing or i'm going to have to find another brand.

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I did not get into that, as I do not have a REF 50. I will see what I can find out.

Thanks mahdlokg. I've been waiting for B&K to come out with the Ref70 as well as their trade-up offer, so any information that you can find out will be greatly appreciated. If the trade-up offer is mediocre, I'll have to re-evaluate the Ref70 because it is not going to be cheap to buy one.

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Thanks mahdlokg. I've been waiting for B&K to come out with the Ref70 as well as their trade-up offer, so any information that you can find out will be greatly appreciated. If the trade-up offer is mediocre, I'll have to re-evaluate the Ref70 because it is not going to be cheap to buy one.

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I e-mailed the regional rep for my area yesterday. No answer yet.
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I e-mailed the regional rep for my area yesterday. No answer yet.

According to the Regional rep I've been talking with no B&K sponsored upgrade or trade-in program is planned. IF your individual dealer has a trade-in program, that seems to be the only avenue.
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Since we have some Ref50 owners in here, maybe one of you will know the answer although I'm afraid I already do.

Is the Ref50 able to take a 720p signal in (ps3 over component) and convert it to 1080i out (to my 'old' crt tv through component that only displays 1080i and not 720p)? I am a bit frustrated that many ps3 games don't include 1080 support and then downrez the 720p to 480p.
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The Ref 50 is not capable of any video up or down conversion
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The Ref 50 is not capable of any video up or down conversion

That's what I thought. Thanks. I know my next receiver will have this as a requirement so we'll see if the Ref70 will have it...
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The Ref. 70 is using the HQV Reon video chip, and will up/down scale
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I got to actually look at, touch, and listen to a preproduction Ref 70 on the 14th of June. In my mind, the pictures of the Ref 70 don't do it justice. It's surprising beautiful. This unit was supposedly seven days out of the box and wasn't broken in. With that in mind, this is how a very quick, due to family issues, audition of the piece went. Within seconds of playing music, I noticed excellent separation of instruments and very nice vocals. As time went on I noticed this was very pleasing. The unit was a little edgy or a little bright, but I believe when broken in this may change. The most positive statement I can make is this. If you like the way B&K sounds, and I do, then you may find this the very best preamp they have produced. I spent less than 20 minutes with the unit, but was very impressed. My short list of possible preamps to purchase, Cary 11a, B&K Ref 70, Integra 9.8, Theta Valis, or anything below 6k with both HDMI and xlr connectivity. I have also heard the Cary 11, Classe's SSP 600, Anthem D2 (So far paired with an Ayers amp the very best non live experience I have had to date.), Anthem AVM20 which I own, and different Mac gear. The Ref 70 may have pushed the Cary and the Valis off my list. Ok, Theta really did that on it's own. All of these units are very good, but I'm hoping a broken in Ref 70 with all of it's Video abilities will prove to be just the ticket for a second HT room I'm building. No the AVM20 sin't going any where, that's my wife's system.
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According to the Regional rep I've been talking with no B&K sponsored upgrade or trade-in program is planned. IF your individual dealer has a trade-in program, that seems to be the only avenue.

I'm bummed! I guess I was hoping against hope that B&K would have a manufacturer trade-in program because I bought my Ref50 in San Francisco and I doubt that my local dealer in Maryland will give me anything for it. I will ask, but I'm doubtful that the local dealer will give me a discount.

I guess that the next thing to enquire about is whether B&K will provide free upgrades to the new audio codecs as they become available, or if owners of the new Ref70's will have to shell out additional $$ for that.

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I guess that the next thing to enquire about is whether B&K will provide free upgrades to the new audio codecs as they become available, or if owners of the new Ref70's will have to shell out additional $$ for that.

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I was told by the rep that those upgrades will be free and available sometime in August or September. Can be done by your dealer or sent directly to B&K.


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I guess that the next thing to enquire about is whether B&K will provide free upgrades to the new audio codecs as they become available, or if owners of the new Ref70's will have to shell out additional $$ for that.

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I was told by the rep that those upgrades will be free and available sometime in August or September. Can be done by your dealer or sent directly to B&K.


Disclaimer: I can not and will not be held responsible for information passed on to me by a rep I do not know personally.

Thanks buddy. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what takes place in the next month or so.

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fyi - I had to call in to b&k because I'm having a problem with my receiver so I asked about the ref70 and a trade-up program. The person said the ref70 should come out within the next month or so and that they were currently discussing a trade-in program but nothing had been decided for sure yet, and would have an official word on it towards the end of the year.
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