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OSD issue

how come when i am watching cable (cable box to receiver) i get on screen display, but when i watch satelite (satelite box to receiver also) i do not get on screen display?

cable box is connected via svideo
sat box is connected via component
and then HDMI out to my TV.

is there a setting?

Any thoughts.
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Any thoughts.

Use the Search This Thread feature above and enter OSD as the search term. Lots of discussion on this issue/feature.
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I've read the manual and search this forum, but could not find and answer. How does one make the 2nd remote control the main unit and not the 2nd and 3rd zone?

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I've read the manual and search this forum, but could not find and answer. How does one make the 2nd remote control the main unit and not the 2nd and 3rd zone?

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I don't believe it is possible.
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How can you tell if your upscaling is working?
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Now that the format war is over...I'll probably be getting a Blu-ray player to go along with my home theater set up. Does anyone have the Panasonic DMP-BD30K? How does it work with this unit? As the player doesn't have internal decoding, and uses bitstream to pass along everything to the receiver...can the receiver decode all the codecs I'll need for blu-ray?

Thanks in advance Just as an update, I've had this Receiver since mid-october, and it's been great - no issues at all
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Now that the format war is over...I'll probably be getting a Blu-ray player to go along with my home theater set up. Does anyone have the Panasonic DMP-BD30K? How does it work with this unit? As the player doesn't have internal decoding, and uses bitstream to pass along everything to the receiver...can the receiver decode all the codecs I'll need for blu-ray?

Thanks in advance Just as an update, I've had this Receiver since mid-october, and it's been great - no issues at all

why of course, this receiver can decode all current audio codec that are bitstreamed to it.

i have this setup, but its only a week old. so far, so good!!

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How can you tell if your upscaling is working?

check the settings. if you have it turned on then it is working. however, it does not upscale the HDMI feed. it just passes it through like a switch.

what is confusing me is the audio settings. what is direct and pure direct? why doesnt two channel stereo stuff sound that great for me?

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check the settings. if you have it turned on then
what is confusing me is the audio settings. what is direct and pure direct? why doesnt two channel stereo stuff sound that great for me?

thanks.

I think that with direct, you can still apply audyssey. With pure direct, you can't apply audyssey.

My 2-channel stereo isn't great. I need to use 7-channel stereo or DTS:Neo 6: music. The difference is like night and day. I am not sure why this is the case.
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i want to know if the 2808 allows video signal to go through without the denon to be on i know the highend denons allow it but i dont know if this one does.
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i want to know if the 2808 allows video signal to go through without the denon to be on i know the highend denons allow it but i dont know if this one does.

Nope.

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Wow! I've read thru most posts and i have no clue if i should get the 2808 now. I can't figure out if to many don't know how to set up a HT reveiver or it is the Denon that's screwy.

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Now that the format war is over...I'll probably be getting a Blu-ray player to go along with my home theater set up. Does anyone have the Panasonic DMP-BD30K? How does it work with this unit? As the player doesn't have internal decoding, and uses bitstream to pass along everything to the receiver...can the receiver decode all the codecs I'll need for blu-ray?

Thanks in advance Just as an update, I've had this Receiver since mid-october, and it's been great - no issues at all

i might go this route too, instead of waiting for the BD50. Just hate burning and updating via CD instead of ethernet.
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why of course, this receiver can decode all current audio codec that are bitstreamed to it.

i have this setup, but its only a week old. so far, so good!!

later.

So everything should work/decode fine via HDMI?
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quick question: Do NEW Denon 2808ci box have a sticker or something that has the Serial # on it?
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I would be happy to.

1) There is no video downconversion. That means component and HMDI inputs cannot be output through analog (composite or Svideo) outputs. I have a DVD recorder, a DVR and an Archos that only have analog inputs. Basically, none of these units can be hookup to this receiver. I have no interest in copying DVD's etc. I want my DVR to time shift (cant do it because my cable box outputs digital OR analog only). I want my DVD recorder to make DVD's from my home movies from my apple TV (can't do it because apple TV only has digital outputs) and I want to use my archos to monitor my apple tv when I am using it to listen to music (can't do that either so I am now forced to have my TV on when I want to listen to music)

2) The upconverter will not upconvert low resolution analog sources. An example of a low res source is the GUI of my Archos (it has a remote control, but I cannot use it because I cannot see the picture on My TV.) Another example is the title screen of my DVD player. When I turn on my DVD player, the title screen will not be seen on my TV. I will only see an image once the DVD starts playing.

3) The upconverter has quality issues. It is not very good. Lots of artifacts. Do a little a research and you will see posts on the subject.

So, I have rewired my whole system with direct outputs to my TV. I am not using the receiver for any Video switching. Fortunately, I have a good TV with several HMDI and component inputs. Not enough, but I have a combination HMDI/component switcher and downconverter on order.

So, it appears a little strange that a $1,000 receiver has these issues. But not strange at all for a $500 receiver. Check an online auction site for the Denon 888 receiver. Almost EXACTLY the same unit. To justify the difference, they gave the 2808 a different remote. They sell the 888 through Walmart. The 2808 is sold through A/V dealers. I do not believe that this unit is in anyway comparable to $1,000 units from Onkyo, Yamaha and Sony. Unfortunately, I do not own one of those units so I cannot confirm my opinion.

This is a common path that companies take when they want to maximize their bottom line. It works very well when the company has a good reputation, and can sell stuff on the name alone. JBL went down the same path many years ago. It is commonly referred to in the business as prostituting your name.

So, I am more than a little upset over this. I am REALLY, REALLY mad. More mad at myself for falling for it. I don't blame Denon. Their job is to maximize profits. I have just been so caught up with work and family that I bought this unit without doing any research.

The worse part is that I bought this unit in the US and I live in the Philippines. I would love to move this item on an auction site to get rid of it and buy something better. Difficult to get any reasonable price under the circumstances.

Walmart carries the Denon 888? for how much?
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So everything should work/decode fine via HDMI?

yes, set the dvd player to bitsream the audio and let the 2808ci decode it.

it was cool to see TrueHD light up last night while watching Spidey 3.

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quick question: Do NEW Denon 2808ci box have a sticker or something that has the Serial # on it?

Anyone still have their 2808 box that can answer this? Thanks
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Anyone still have their 2808 box that can answer this? Thanks

yes. on one of the ends there are two stickers. a smaller one that is the UPC bar cade and a bigger one that has the serial number. later.
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Hello everyone, very helpful thread here! I've been thinking hard about buying the 2808/988 and I'm just curious whether this unit is for me. I am a relative noob to audio, but I want to get started on the right foot. I've spent the weekend reading every single post on this thread and now have a few questions.

My current setup:

Yamaha rxv659
Infinity tss450 5.1 Speakers
60 gb PS3
HD Tivo
Motorola STB
Samsung lnt5271f

I plan on running only the audio from my PS3, my HD Tivo, and my Motorola STB to this receiver via optical cable. I have enough HDMI inputs on my TV and have my Harmony Remote to switch everything properly, so running video through the receiver is unnecessary. I also plan on using the Infinity speakers until this summer when I begin building out my own speakers from components purchased from Parts Express.

My questions are:

1) How much of an upgrade will the 2808/988 be over my current Yamaha, audio-wise? I can see the differences on paper, but what do you owners think? Since I'll only be using it for audio, will it be worth the jump if I can get this receiver for around $600? Or should I save some money for the 3808, as some recent posts dictate?

2) I want HD audio. If I understand correctly, right now the PS3 does not properly handle True HD and DTS MA. I'm hoping that this can be corrected via firmware update in the future. Assuming that is the case, this receiver should be able to fully handle True HD and DTS, and handle it well, correct?

I still have a few months before I begin making anymore purchases, but I wanted to get some owners' thoughts early in the process. Thanks so much!

Christian
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Hard to say with the speakers you have. If it was me i might upgrade my speakers before my receiver, imo.

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Hard to say with the speakers you have. If it was me i might upgrade my speakers before my receiver, imo.

Hi shokhead, thanks for the feedback. I was initially going that route, but I will have an opportunity to pick up a new receiver at a great price, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to switch the order of my purchases. I'll be getting a receiver in May (a 3 paycheck month) and will follow up with the speaker build in June or July. Still, I'm testing the waters to see if this is the receiver for me. It sure seems like a good one though!
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DenonJeff,

Thanks a ton for the Firmware update! Works great! Now when I pop in Pan's Labyrinth all 7.1 channels lite up for the DTS-MA HD track!
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yes. on one of the ends there are two stickers. a smaller one that is the UPC bar cade and a bigger one that has the serial number. later.

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I am planning to buy this receiver. Is this a good buy over the onkyo 805? have you experienced any problems with this denon? i changed my mind buying an onkyo because of the prolems reported such as lip synch, some output jacks inverted, etc.
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For those of you interested, here is the firmware update information mentioned a few posts ago. It is not currently listed on the Denon website so you'll have to PM DenonJeff directly to receive it and a RS-232 cable to install it to the 2808CI.

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All,

Sorry I have not been on recently, I have been quite busy as I think you can understand. But I will be on soon to answer posts and PMs, but I needed to jump on quickly to let owners of the 23/28/38/43/5308CI and 888/988 customers we have fixes available. Here are the basics:

2308CI/888:

1. The "Cars" BD disc has a Dolby TrueHD 6.1 soundtrack, however these units would display and playback only HD 5.1 - this is corrected.
2. The 'New Line' titles with dts-HD Master 7.1 tracks are played back in PCM 7.1 however the display only shows 5.1 - this is corrected.
3. Intermittent IR operation of certain commands through the Room to Room back panel jacks - this is corrected.

2808CI/988:

Same as 2308/88 except #2 where the front panel display would show 'dts Surround' and only 5.1 channels - this is corrected. It will show dts-HD MA 7.1.

To correct the above mentioned units, I have new firmware (since these have no ethernet ports - firmware must be loaded via a PC and the 232 port on the unit). PM me for instructions on how to obtain the firmware.


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I am planning to buy this receiver. Is this a good buy over the onkyo 805? have you experienced any problems with this denon? i changed my mind buying an onkyo because of the prolems reported such as lip synch, some output jacks inverted, etc.

Personally, while the Onkyo offers more features. I still say this Denon is a better choice. I would take Denon over Onkyo any day.
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Hello everyone, very helpful thread here! I've been thinking hard about buying the 2808/988 and I'm just curious whether this unit is for me. I am a relative noob to audio, but I want to get started on the right foot. I've spent the weekend reading every single post on this thread and now have a few questions.

My current setup:

Yamaha rxv659
Infinity tss450 5.1 Speakers
60 gb PS3
HD Tivo
Motorola STB
Samsung lnt5271f

I plan on running only the audio from my PS3, my HD Tivo, and my Motorola STB to this receiver via optical cable. I have enough HDMI inputs on my TV and have my Harmony Remote to switch everything properly, so running video through the receiver is unnecessary. I also plan on using the Infinity speakers until this summer when I begin building out my own speakers from components purchased from Parts Express.

My questions are:

1) How much of an upgrade will the 2808/988 be over my current Yamaha, audio-wise? I can see the differences on paper, but what do you owners think? Since I'll only be using it for audio, will it be worth the jump if I can get this receiver for around $600? Or should I save some money for the 3808, as some recent posts dictate?

2) I want HD audio. If I understand correctly, right now the PS3 does not properly handle True HD and DTS MA. I'm hoping that this can be corrected via firmware update in the future. Assuming that is the case, this receiver should be able to fully handle True HD and DTS, and handle it well, correct?

I still have a few months before I begin making anymore purchases, but I wanted to get some owners' thoughts early in the process. Thanks so much!

Christian


Any other owners want to add their two cents? Thanks!
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Personally, while the Onkyo offers more features. I still say this Denon is a better choice. I would take Denon over Onkyo any day.


The 805 would be comparable in terms of quality/features with the 3808ci.

I would take the 805 over the 2808ci, but give some consideration between the 3808ci and the 805...

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Any other owners want to add their two cents? Thanks!

As enticing as the idea of buying a $1000 receiver for $600 is, you have to ask yourself if it's what you really need. I'd have to agree with SHOKHEAD and suggest you upgrade your speakers first given your current 5.1 setup you have now only runs $300. A general rule of thumb is that you should spend about 30% on the receiver and 70% on the speakers, so determining your entire budget would be the first step. What good is having a $1000 receiver if you're only going to spend maybe $600 on speakers? Not to mention, it's much easier to swap out a receiver if you don't like the sound from your new speakers then it is to swap out the entire speaker setup if you buy the receiver first.

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