Google SSP Spreadsheet is the source for the table. Please feel free to update the "Next Version" tab of the table. I will edit and promote to this posting as it evolves.
Feature Legend:
Codec
HBR - native High Bit Rate Decoders: Dolby Digital TrueHD, DTS-HD MA (and MPCM)
MPCM - multi-channel PCM over HDMI (either 6 or 8 channels) support only
HDMI Version
HDMI 1.0 is required for MPCM
HDMI 1.2 is required for SACD DSD format
HDMI 1.3 is required for HBR format
HDMI 1.4 is required for 3D Video
Video Mode
VS - Video Switching - only switches HDMI inputs to output & limited transcoding
VP - Video Processing - supports video processing features beyond switching & transcoding, which may include noise & cadence management, aspect ratio management, anamorphic support, colour management.
Surround Mode
THX -THX audio processing modes supported (and DPL as well)
DPLIIX - Dolby Pro Logic IIx Movies & Music modes supported
DPLIIz - Dolby Pro Logic IIz for support of additional height speakers
HBR Surr. - can the Surround Mode be applied to the HBR bitstream codecs (TrueHD, DTS HD MA)?
Decoders
DSD - native SACD DSD over HDMI decode
HDCD - High Definition CD
Spkr X-Over - Speaker Crossover:
Fixed - 80Hz for all speakers
Single - one adjustable crossover value applied to all speakers
Pair - adjustable crossover value per pair of speakers (F/C/S/SB/SW)
Custom - adjustable crossover value per speaker
Room Correction
None
GEC - Graphic Equalizer (fix band freq domain only)
Don't remind me, I haven't lived in the US for almost 4 years now yet I still have to file and pay taxes and this year was a shock. Well, at least the NAD T175 has arrived in Singapore and I will pick mine up this week
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Originally Posted by Eric Carroll /forum/post/13574362
Classe Audio is apparently now taking preorders on the SSP-800 for delivery in May. MSRP $8,000, MPCM only. A HBR decoder upgrade may be available at the end of the year. Apparently this upgrade is awaiting the DSP card provider that Classe uses to release a new HBR capable DSP card. The SSP-800 is rumoured to use the TI Aureus DSP.
There is an AVS post indicating that release had been delayed to late June but I have not been able to verify that.
Thats great that Classe is willing to take our money now, without providing a firm ship date.
Sorry, but audio companies have been notorious about release dates, especially where MPCM HDMI is involved. I wouldn't do a pre-order unless Classe gives a firm ship date.
Good luck to those that do though. I am curious to hear about the SQ of this unit.
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Originally Posted by GoodSonics /forum/post/13645640
Thats great that Classe is willing to take our money now, without providing a firm ship date.
Sorry, but audio companies have been notorious about release dates, especially where MPCM HDMI is involved. I wouldn't do a pre-order unless Classe gives a firm ship date.
Good luck to those that do though. I am curious to hear about the SQ of this unit.
Unless I am mistaken, they can not charge you until they ship the product. At least most credit card companies have policies against companies charging you before shipping.
I know I preoder all the time from Amazon, but they will never charge my account (credit card or bank account) until the day it actually ships.
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Originally Posted by jdc115 /forum/post/13652754
Unless I am mistaken, they can not charge you until they ship the product. At least most credit card companies have policies against companies charging you before shipping.
I know I preoder all the time from Amazon, but they will never charge my account (credit card or bank account) until the day it actually ships.
On big items, or things considered custom order, it is very common for a dealer to charge you up front. When I spoke to the local Classe dealer, he wanted payment up front for the SSP-800. Some dealers request 50% up front. It depends on the item and the dealer.
When you spoke to your dealer about the SSP-800 preorder, what did he say about shipping dates?
I hear what you are saying about ship dates. In Classe case, they have a better chance of making their date simply because the are not using a next gen DSP - they went with the previous generation OEM DSP card. So they are not caught in the swirl of Cirrus Logic like many others and likely have much less integration to do.
But of course that begs the next question, which is when and how much is the DSP upgrade, which they have said they will announce "before launch".
The local dealer called me a couple days ago and told me they are taking pre-orders and that he expects them to ship in late may. I didn't ask when I could actually have it in my hands.
He said he was going to send me some literature on the unit, so I should get that today or tomorrow I expect.
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Originally Posted by pal1982 /forum/post/13684318
New word from Sim... be looking for the pre/pro and amp combo coming hopefully in August... Price for MC-8 in 5 channel is 18,000 and the CP-8 is 18,000.
It is VERYpainful having poor resale value in highend pre/pros, but having a pre/pro that becomes obsolete and which has the amps built in sounds even more painful.
Why are you concluding they are integrated? My reading of this was that a new 5ch amp is being launched at the same time as the pre/pro, just like what Denon did with the POA-HDA1 and AVP-HDA1, and Marantz is doing with the MM8003 and AV8003.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Carroll /forum/post/13688999
Why are you concluding they are integrated? My reading of this was that a new 5ch amp is being launched at the same time as the pre/pro, just like what Denon did with the POA-HDA1 and AVP-HDA1, and Marantz is doing with the MM8003 and AV8003.
Of particular interest to those who answer that question "yes" is this:
Quote:
One notable receiver manufacturer tells AVRev.com that they were promised “production quantities” of the most popular Cirrus Logic chips in April of 2007 but didn’t receive them until March of 2008. The all-important firmware was reportedly “99 percent done” which can easily be translated into, not-ready-for-prime-time at this date". ... it will be August of 2008 before a full complement of “next gen receivers” will be available for purchase.
I just want to thank you for the EXCELLENT thread! I have learned a million and one things from this thread! I desperately need a new "separate" preamp to compliment my Anthem PVA5 as my NAD T163 died on me
. The information I have learned here has been invaluable!
Thanks for the kind words, I am glad this has been helpful. Lots of other AVS posters and other forum members have contributed, I have mostly just collated it all into one thread.
Emotiva indicates via forum postings in May , they still had not received any Cirrus DSP chips, delaying the UMC-1 release. The release date has been updated to late summer/early fall.
Slight correction, or maybe not so slight: that press release is dated April 17, 2007.
(And, based on the evidence we have, the press release turned out to be highly inaccurate, because there have been long and continuing delays in final release of the CS4970xx family of Audio DSP chips to consumer electronics manufacturers!)
Great thread Eric. Has anyone tried the onkyo and really compared it to an older higher quality processor like the Meridian 568.2 or 861? I am a 100% home theater guy and was wondering how the onkyo in lossless would compare to say a Meridian 861(high bitrate DTS) while watching the same movie in bluray? Also, How many rack spaces is the Onkyo?
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Originally Posted by MKtheater /forum/post/13875427
Great thread Eric. Has anyone tried the onkyo and really compared it to an older higher quality processor like the Meridian 568.2 or 861? I am a 100% home theater guy and was wondering how the onkyo in lossless would compare to say a Meridian 861(high bitrate DTS) while watching the same movie in bluray? Also, How many rack spaces is the Onkyo?
Actually, there are a bunch of Onkyo threads running, and I have seen several posts from people who have compared the Meridian and Onkyo. Do a search and you can likely find them. I think the consensus is the HBR codecs are audibly better than a high quality version of the lossy codec like DD or DTS for movies. 2 channel is a different story.
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