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Heheheeee... thanks for linking to my Parasound posts, Eric. (yes, those are my own text thoughts and pictures I posted in Club Parasound on HTGuide, I'm not sure why Bradley Bossman/pal1982 would cut and paste like that)

Come check out Club Parasound--got some inside information there from direct discussion with the Parasound fellas. I'll be posting more there as I recouperate from CEDIA:
http://www.htguide.com/forum/forumdisplay.php4?f=21

Hi Chris,

Any idea what video processing is used in the new Parasounds? Any DSD and/or CEC rate control over HDMI support?

I like the dual balanced inputs, IPod PCM support and seemingly sensible killing off of SVideo but would rather the unit just transcoded video than apply compulsory poor processing.
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Heya! Yeah, I'll be putting this down over in Club Parasound here shortly. But it's Faroudja video processing to upscale everything to 1080p and overlay menus over HDMI. The audio processing is dual Cirrus chips capable of 192khz audio processing. Parasound's anticipating great performance, particularly the audio clarity.
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Am I rgiht in saying the M15HD only has unbalanced outputs?!?

Yes. What is the advantage of balanced outputs?

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Chris,

I always try to chase down original sources. Can't always find it, but I have figured out which boards seems to have inside tracks on which vendors. Thanks for the posting on the C3. I corrected the attributions above for the photos too.
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Yes. What is the advantage of balanced outputs?

For people like myself where the poweramps are some distance from the preamp it allows for much better noise rejection. If the prepro has a truly balanced input section and power amp is fully balanced too then decent sound quality improvements should be possible at all cable lengths by using balanced.
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Stereophile has some nice CEDIA SSP coverage thanks to Kal Rubinson including the Sim Audio CP8, B&K, Classe SSP-800 Anthem D2v2 and also Bryston's demo model of the SP3: http://www.stereophile.com/news/090708cedia4/

Also NAD and Theta: http://stereophile.com/news/090508cedia1/
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The elusive Theta Valis was spotted at CEDIA 08. Kal Rubinson posted front and rear panel photos. No other details available except vague rumours it might be available before the Theta Casablanca HDMI upgrade.
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Stereophile has some nice CEDIA SSP coverage thanks to Kal Rubinson including the Sim Audio CP8, B&K, Classe SSP-800 Anthem D2v2 and also Bryston's demo model of the SP3: http://www.stereophile.com/news/090708cedia4/

Also NAD and Theta: http://stereophile.com/news/090508cedia1/

great to see the moon beastie sure to be cracker no doubt and boy that power amp looks tasty too, moon sure know how to make some nice gear !

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By popular demand I added some tables. I will decommission the text list as I confirm the table entries. White space means "don't know", question marks means best guess.
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By popular demand I added some tables. I will decommission the text list as I confirm the table entries. White space means "don't know", question marks means best guess.

Eric,

Appreciate you keeping track of all this.

I have a question on the surround mode column, where in some cases you list THX and in others DPLIIx. If you take the Integra 9.8 / 9.9 PrePro as an example, it is listed as THX yet it also has DPLIIx, although that is not apparent at a quick glance.

Does a THX listing mean both THX and DPLIIx processing are available, while a DPLIIx listing means THX is not available?

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JBL announced a pre/pro at CEDIA 2008, the AV2.

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The new JBL Performance Series AV2 is a 7.1-channel preamplifier/digital surround processor that is designed to deliver exceptional audio and video quality, along with ease of use and flexible configuration options.

The AV2 features an extensive complement of digital and analog audio and video connections, including HDMI™ inputs and outputs, to accommodate complex home-entertainment systems with multiple high-definition program sources. The preamp/processor incorporates DCDi™ by Faroudja digital video processing to provide upscaled and enhanced 720p or 1080i output from all video sources with extraordinary image quality.

The AV2 can connect directly to a computer via its USB port, enabling users to enjoy playback of streaming audio files and to access the music files on their computer via the AV2 and its remote control. In addition, the AV2 includes an interface for the iPod that enables enhanced playback and control capabilities when a compatible iPod (not included) is connected using an available optional docking station for iPod.

The AV2 incorporates a host of additional features, including independent multizone operation; RS-232 ports, multiple DC trigger outputs and an IR input for integrated system control; automatic speaker setup and calibration; and proprietary Logic 7® surround-enhancement technology for enhanced sonic realism from matrix-encoded and stereo audio sources.

The JBL Performance Series AV2 preamplifier/digital surround processor is currently available at a suggested retail price of $2,000.

There is a very small photo of it in the Secrets of Home Theater CEDIA 2008 report halfway down the page.

EDIT: This turns out to be a just announced, and shipping HDMI 1.1 MPCM SSP: http://www.jbl.com/home/products/pro...at=SPR&ser=PER
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Does a THX listing mean both THX and DPLIIx processing are available, while a DPLIIx listing means THX is not available?

Yes, exactly. One vendor is marked DPLII which means no DPLIIx or THX, just plain old DPLII.
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Just a small correction to your table, Eric - the B&K Ref 70 doesn't have any room correction system currently.
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I've heard from my dealer on two occasions, from two separate salespersons, that something from Anthem is in the works.

One simply described it as the next generation of Anthem, with HDMI 1.3 and new codecs.

Several weeks later, the next person went as far as saying it was an AVM50v2 and D2v2. They also said this info came directly from their Anthem rep.


Even though it's not my intention, this is totally going to sound like an "I told you so" post...

Looks like my information back in June was correct. Mostly I'm just surprised, given all the rumours flying around all summer, that my dealer actually gave me accurate information 3 months before CEDIA!
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Yes. What is the advantage of balanced outputs?

Let me guess....NAD doesn't have them
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Sherwood Newcastle has dropped its plans to offer a pre/pro based on the R-972 AVR.

With S-N not releasing a pre/pro with Trinnov, it appeared like Trinnov would not make an appearance in the pre/pro space. However, an interesting point on the Trinnov web page is a claim that ADA demoed a product with Trinnov in it at CEDIA. From other reports we know the Rhapsody Mach IV was announced at CEDIA, so this may be a pre/pro with Trinnov in it. Unfortunately, details on the ADA SSP are very scarce right now. ADA has not yet updated its web page.

One other option is Outlaw's successor HBR SSP, which was rumoured to be based on S-N R-972. The announcement was vague, but had happy marketing words suggesting something like Trinnov might be in it. But that is just speculation and rumours right now.
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I have made progress in populating the new tables in post #1. Please let me know if you have definitive information that is missing or see errors. I would prefer a PM to avoid cluttering the thread. Where I have filled in features I have generally checked the manual to confirm.

Blanks mean "I don't know". An X means "doesn't have the feature", while checks mean it does. There is a modified legend at the bottom. Alot of the announced stuff is blank because it hasn't been released yet.

Thanks.
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Thta trinov will come in very handy when the center speaker is below the screen.
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From the Department of Channel Conflict...

The JBL AV2 is exactly the same as a Lexicon MV-5. I mean exactly, right down to the exact layout of the front and rear panels, and even of the manual. Only the faceplate badging is different and a single feature called "JBL Bassq".

And price. It is $2K cheaper.
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It looks like Krell has updated its upgrade plan for the S-1000.

If I am understanding the Krell upgrade plan posted, the S-1000 remains as is. Existing S-1000 customers will be offered a trade-up to a "dramatically more revealing" S-1200U for an additional $5500 less some incentive structure that take the two purchases combined to $9700, $2300 off the S1200U MSRP of $12,000.

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NEW ORDERS:
Today, sell your customers the S-1000 @ 20% off retail ($5,200) and Prebook a S-1200U upgrade for $4,500 ($1,000 off retail) Customer gets S-1200U for $9,700, A $2,300 savings off retail.

This assumes that the dealer PRE-BOOKS the upgrade and puts it in the queue.

EXISTING ORDERS:
They also worked out the same arrangement for existing S-1000 customers. Meaning, there are discounts for everyone who already bought working out to be the same dollars. BUT, these offers expire on September 30th.

So existing S1000 customers who want to upgrade apparently need to act this month.
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The JBL AV2 is exactly the same as a Lexicon MV-5. I mean exactly, right down to the exact layout of the front and rear panels, and even of the manual. Only the faceplate badging is different and a single feature called "JBL Bassq".

Just a quick FYI: all JBL pre-pros are re-badged Lexicons; always have been, going back 14 years to the JBL SDP-2 (rebadged Lex DC-1) through to the JBL SPD-40HD (rebadged MC-12HD) that is currently at the top of their Synthesis line.

The main differences are: black faceplate (which many Lex owners, like myself, envy) and outboard room correction/EQ like their standalone BassQ unit (Lex does room correction internally).

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Eric- Love the new table. I believe that the speaker crossover for the NAD T175 should be pair.

I almost wish you could have any "gotchas" noted for each one. I came across some wierd bass management problem for the Marantz, for example.

... Just saw the VS and VP, nice !

If it's not worth waiting until the last minute to do, then it's not worth doing.

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Just a quick FYI: all JBL pre-pros are re-badged Lexicons; always have been, going back 14 years to the JBL SDP-2 (rebadged Lex DC-1) through to the JBL SPD-40HD (rebadged MC-12HD) that is currently at the top of their Synthesis line.

Thanks for that clarification, I wasn't aware of that.
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I believe that the speaker crossover for the NAD T175 should be pair.

Ok thanks. The manual wasn't clear on this.

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I almost wish you could have any "gotchas" noted for each one.

The number of potential columns is semi-infinite. Sadly, my time and screen space are not. I'll let the threads handle the issues. Hassle the thread OP to keep post #1 as a good summary
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Does any one having in pricing estimates for the Parasound Halo C3?

Sorry again first off Chris for cutting and pasting your info i had people breathing down my neck for info because i am the only Parasound dealer here in Tennessee and one of the few in remaining Florida.
Now with that said, pricing your looking at somewhere in the $3000-$3,500 neighborhood. However that is not written in store but its the numbers i am hearing from Parasound right now.

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Quick Question

The B&K 70(HBR) is showing Audyssey. Is this correct

I looked all over the forum could not find a reference..

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No, sorry its not. I fixed the shipping table but forgot to upload the announced. Thankls for pointing it out.
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Hi Eric: Newbie question. I have an HD-DVD player and plan to get a new Bluray next year. Do I need an HBR pre-pro or would one with MPCM be sufficient? Thanks, Don

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I noted in a previous posting that ADA demoed something with Trinnov in it and speculated about what it was.

Well, the mystery of what ADA showed at CEDIA 2008 with Trinnov has been solved.

Richard Stoerger of ADA posted the following note about the CEDIA 2008 demo:
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We showed a proto-type chassis of the TEQ-1, eight-channel Trinnov based room corrections EQ. S-N was demoing the technology in their receiver. Ours was a static look at a box that is in development. Target price is between $5K-$6K. At the show we mentioned a Q2-Q3 release but hey, you never know as that might be moved up.

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