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rudolpht's Avatar rudolpht
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Holy cow this thread has achieved stickyness.

I guess all this work has been useful to the community. Thank you, moderators.

Congrats Eric. Maintaining these threads is a thankless job. Unfortunately I have given up on the AVR thread inspired by this one. With more fields, more units, and a significant hassle to generate the spreadsheet & jpeg from the spreadsheet, it's totally disappointing to see the board half (or more) filled with the same questions that these answer. (Particularly with so many Pre-Amp guys using AVRs as preamps to get the modern features).

It's definitely not worth the effort.
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Yep, but most video processors do this. A combination of a VP50Pro and the Cary give most of what you want and give a very purist approach (i.e. the scaler does the video work and just passes on the audio via HDMI, and the pre/pro the audio work), but of course it's considerably more than $2k

Yeah, that's pretty much what my eventual idea is (thinking eventual CIH setup, etc.), so, it seems as though the Denon A7100 will work in the meantime. I've been reading on the Bryston forum at AudioCircle about the trouble developing their next processor, the SP3. Noting that it hasn't been 'till after CES 2008 that they'll even get a chance to start getting the necessary chips to begin development. So, I suspect the lower end, say below $2.5k, will be a sweet spot as people wait for the highend to get things together (but still want to play with the new codecs). Though hopefully they'll be able to take advantage of the experience from the AVR people to reduce development times, and get the first set of bugs out. But, then just like the blu-ray HD-DVD battle, waiting it out may be the best course of action--though not for all of us with upgraditis.

p.s. Eric, props for getting this to 'stick', now I find it right away, and hopefully with more traffic more info will be offered.
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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Update on Denon pre/pro below the A1HD from DenonJeff.
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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Eric, props for getting this to 'stick', now I find it right away, and hopefully with more traffic more info will be offered.

Thank the moderators, not me, for the sticky status.

The news remains slow on the pre/pro front, but I continue to keep looking for updates.
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Thank the moderators, not me, for the sticky status.

I know, but, you keeping the thread relevant, hopefully, is what caught their eye.

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The news remains slow on the pre/pro front, but I continue to keep looking for updates.

Yeah, I saw his response to your question when searching for more on the A7100. Sound really good, but, could I really wait that long, as it would probably several months out. The A7100 is close enough right now (other than only 3 component inputs) that I'll probably go for it. But, it's good to see that these companies are reading our rants on lack of mid-range pre-pros. Certainly in the new world of forced obsolescence.
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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Cary, Krell & Denon official announcement updates. Creeping slowly closer to actual shipping pre/pros...
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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Sound really good, but, could I really wait that long, as it would probably be several months out.

Actually, I believe DenonJeff said "not this year" for an intermediate between the A7100 and the A1HD, which is unfortunate.

From what I can see, it looks like Krell, Cary and Denon will be next to ship HBR capable pre/pros after Onkyo.
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What are the latest ETAs on the Krell and Cary?
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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As posted in the Recent Manufacturer Announcements section in post #1, Krell is April, Cary claims March, Denon claims this month.
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Eric,

My local dealer is tight with Krell, and he recently told me that the S-1000 with HDMI Audio upgrade wouldn't be ready until June.

Regards,
Darrell
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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Interesting.

I pulled the date from this thread - "The S1000 HDMI audio upgrade will be available in April.", attributed to Dan D’Agostino. That plus the 1Q08 on the brochure seemed to be good enough. I guess I have to demote it to a rumor then.

I will ask AVSRichard to clarify the release date in his upcoming AVS Forum Q&A with Krell.
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If Krell does delay the Dolby TrueHD & DTS-HD MA upgrade until June this will disappoint. When Dolby Digital started being available on laser disc, manufactures seemed to embraced it much more quickly. There are many more Blu-ray and HD DVD players on the market then there were when laser disc players came out, and there were many Dolby Digital receivers and processors on the market much more quickly than the time it is taking for Dolby TrueHD & DTS-HD MA processing receivers and A/V processors. This is disappointing.
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March may be the offical date that Krell is publicly stating, but when I told my dealer I would consider purchasing the Krell if he could get me one in Feb-Mar, he made some calls to Krell to get a firm date.

He told me they wouldn't be ready in March, and that June sounded like a more realistic date.

Check with your local dealers, and see what they will COMMIT to. The date they will commit to is the important date, not the one they throw about in casual conversation. I'll be surprised if any dealer will commit to a March date.
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Chip supply is going to be tight. I bet my Cary rep a donut we wouldn't see it til April or later. Same probably with Krell.

We'll have some more answers on Tuesday with the Krell Q & A. If you have Krell questions, send them to me and I'll make sure the answers get posted that day or shortly thereafter.

Heck if you have questions in general email me.

Eric, I got your question and it's the million dollar question isn't it?

Richard
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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The Denon AVP-A1 HD is now up on the Denon US web site.
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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Chip supply is going to be tight. I bet my Cary rep a donut we wouldn't see it til April or later. Same probably with Krell.

Richard,

When you say "chip supply" do you mean the CS49700 or the HDMI 1.3 rx/tx chips?

It seems like a number of SSP manufacturers are moving to the CS49700.
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Richard,

When you say "chip supply" do you mean the CS49700 or the HDMI 1.3 rx/tx chips?

It seems like a number of SSP manufacturers are moving to the CS49700.

The earlier excuse for the delay was HDMI chips. It appears the current company position it is the Cirrus chip certification.
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Not sure if this is old news or of any interest at all, but I spoke to the german Primare distributor today and was told the SP-32 has been pushed back due to some re-design issues and to improve quality. They're now targeting a June/July release. I asked about price and technical features (specifically the ability to decode the new audio codecs), but I was told that features are not final yet, so they couldn't tell me anything. Guess we have to wait a little longer.

Personally I'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of the Cary Cinema 11a and the Krell S-1000 now, as I'm looking for a temporary (or permanent) replacement for my Meridian 861 (no HDMI...).
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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Thanks for the update. Primare has been very quiet since their CEIDA announcement.
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hi eric, looks like the denon AVP av pre-pro has landed !

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post13107702
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hi eric, looks like the denon AVP av pre-pro has landed !

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post13107702

In Singapore... not that it matters to the thread. Almost grabbed one for 21 Feb due great contact through the board, but I had to re-vector.
alebonau's Avatar alebonau
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In Singapore... not that it matters to the thread. Almost grabbed one for 21 Feb due great contact through the board, but I had to re-vector.

yeah amazing really got first release in singapore ! not sure its out in japan as yet, youd think so as denons home country. cant imagine long way away for release in HK, US and the rest of the world including Oz

anyways I look forward to reading stephen's posts on how he finds the denon avp
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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Has anyone seen the AVP-A1HDCI in the US yet? DenonJeff said mid-Feb. I added two weeks for shipping etc... so it should be getting close.
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I saw Elvis with one...
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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This is a potentially interesting device for those who want to retrofit LPCM support onto an existing pre/pro with 7.1 inputs or would like an interim workaround while waiting (assuming of course your HDM player doesn't have 6/8 ch analog outs...). The GefenTV Home Theater Audio Processor provides HDMI input and 8ch analog out. The analog outs appear to provide line levels notwithstanding the comments about 20W amplification.

More discussion can be found in the HDMI LPCM to Analog Multichannel Converter thread and the Digital to analog HD sound converter thread.

EDIT: While marked as purchasable on the Gefen web site, it is apparently not shipping until April 08.
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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Apparently I missed the Classe update from CES 08. Here is ssabripo's postings on the Classe SSP-800, and the comparison to the Denon SSP thread.

Two threads of interest on HTGuide Forum with good information:
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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Denon ships, for real this time.
Eric Carroll's Avatar Eric Carroll
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A recent posting on the Primare SP32, unfortunately needs human translation: http://www.component.se/forum/index.php?showtopic=8503 Best I can make out is release in first half of 2008, but the computer translation was going on about sheep and canals...
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Does HDMI audio really matter. I end up using optical most of the time.
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Does HDMI audio really matter. I end up using optical most of the time.

If you want lossless multichannel audio, you do.

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