Google SSP Spreadsheet is the source for the table. Please feel free to update the "Next Version" tab of the table. I will edit and promote to this posting as it evolves.
Feature Legend:
Codec
HBR - native High Bit Rate Decoders: Dolby Digital TrueHD, DTS-HD MA (and MPCM)
MPCM - multi-channel PCM over HDMI (either 6 or 8 channels) support only
HDMI Version
HDMI 1.0 is required for MPCM
HDMI 1.2 is required for SACD DSD format
HDMI 1.3 is required for HBR format
HDMI 1.4 is required for 3D Video
Video Mode
VS - Video Switching - only switches HDMI inputs to output & limited transcoding
VP - Video Processing - supports video processing features beyond switching & transcoding, which may include noise & cadence management, aspect ratio management, anamorphic support, colour management.
Surround Mode
THX -THX audio processing modes supported (and DPL as well)
DPLIIX - Dolby Pro Logic IIx Movies & Music modes supported
DPLIIz - Dolby Pro Logic IIz for support of additional height speakers
HBR Surr. - can the Surround Mode be applied to the HBR bitstream codecs (TrueHD, DTS HD MA)?
Decoders
DSD - native SACD DSD over HDMI decode
HDCD - High Definition CD
Spkr X-Over - Speaker Crossover:
Fixed - 80Hz for all speakers
Single - one adjustable crossover value applied to all speakers
Pair - adjustable crossover value per pair of speakers (F/C/S/SB/SW)
Custom - adjustable crossover value per speaker
Room Correction
None
GEC - Graphic Equalizer (fix band freq domain only)
Pioneer Elite's top end awesome receiver is the SC-09TX -- its amplifiers are totally separate in the internal wiring, so separating the pre/pro from the amplifer portion would be appear to be a slam dunk.
I have to wonder WHY Pioneer Elite is reluctant to separate the pre/pro from the SC-09TX -- I suspect it would be the equal of the new Denon.
Any insider info about a potential future Pioneer Elite pre/pro based upon the SC-09TX??
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Originally Posted by MikeSp /forum/post/13404423
Pioneer Elite's top end awesome receiver is the SC-09TX -- its amplifiers are totally separate in the internal wiring, so separating the pre/pro from the amplifer portion would be appear to be a slam dunk.
I have to wonder WHY Pioneer Elite is reluctant to separate the pre/pro from the SC-09TX -- I suspect it would be the equal of the new Denon.
Any insider info about a potential future Pioneer Elite pre/pro based upon the SC-09TX??
I agree, but I think Pio wanted the penultimate AVR first. It would take some rework of connectors and chassis separation, but I wish it was an option today too. I'll have to settle for the AVR version.
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers /forum/post/13325176
I've been using an Integra 9.8 to drive a Theta Dreadnaught using the balanced outputs, and I have to see I was really surprised by the quality of the audio, with Audyssey it's really, really engaging, and in straight-through it's super-clean. I have to say I've come to prefer Audyssey to clean up room issues.
I replaced an Aragon Soundstage, which was well regarded for the analog section, and I have to say I do not find this unit lacking. Again, I can use the balanced outputs, but the result is really satisfying.
My only complaint is how long it takes audio to sync when you switch sources or change format on the fly in a movie.
Dan, can you give more detail on the analog sound of the 9.8 as compared to the Soundstage? No way it sounds as good as the Soundstage analog stage (which I have also).
In defense of the high S/N ratio of this thread, could I observe there are many many other threads dealing specifically with the Onkyo/Integra and their analog performance (and you are free to start another one), and ask this conversation move there? If I recall Kal Rubinson specifically discussed this issue, so you can look for his postings and reviews. Its a worthwhile topic, just not not quite on topic for this thread.
The 11a has been delayed until Cirrus Logic finalizes its new DSP chipset software. Ship date will be announced once actual production dates are finalized.
Hopefully they're a little behind on their paperwork, as I downloaded the PDFs on the side and they're still labeled SSP80 and SSP100. The web pages note MPCM, but, the PDF are much fuzzier on the details.
Marantz has posted the preliminary bits about their Pre/Pro, the " AV8003 Networking AV Preamp/Processor ". Just a basic summary at the top, but, some good pictures of the unit. Must say one of the better clean classic lines in the pre/pro garb.
Bryston notes in post #8 they will not be getting the decoder chips until April, suggesting they are using Cirrus Logic DSP and are impacted by Cirrus' shipping delays.
Classe Audio is apparently now taking preorders on the SSP-800 for delivery in May. MSRP $8,000, MPCM only. A HBR decoder upgrade may be available at the end of the year. Apparently this upgrade is awaiting the DSP card provider that Classe uses to release a new HBR capable DSP card. The SSP-800 is rumoured to use the TI Aureus DSP.
There is an AVS post indicating that release had been delayed to late June but I have not been able to verify that.
I hope manufactures pick-up the pace with releasing A/V processors that will handle DTS-HD Master Audio processing. Next week my Sony PS3 will have the v2.30 update and there isn't any A/V processor to decode it! Come on manufactures, get with it!
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Originally Posted by peterpioli /forum/post/13606290
I hope manufactures pick-up the pace with releasing A/V processors that will handle DTS-HD Master Audio processing. Next week my Sony PS3 will have the v2.30 update and there isn't any A/V processor to decode it! Come on manufactures, get with it!
Well, looks like Lyngdorf Audio is putting their D-1 processor on hold : April 2, 2008:
The Home Theater market is at present a very dynamic market and we at Lyngdorf Audio have decided not to launch the previously announced D-1 / TDA-2300 multichannel system due to the fact that the price point demanded by the market for our brand, could not be reached at this point in time.
Now was that too high, or too low
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Originally Posted by peterpioli /forum/post/13606290
I hope manufactures pick-up the pace with releasing A/V processors that will handle DTS-HD Master Audio processing. Next week my Sony PS3 will have the v2.30 update and there isn't any A/V processor to decode it! Come on manufactures, get with it!
The PS3 will not pass DTS MAHD as bitstream so it won't matter if the processor decodes DTS HD or not. But the PS3 will decode it internally (after 15 April) and pass it as LPCM so any processor that can accept multi-channel PCM over HDMI will be able to play it.
So at least as far as the PS3 is concerned, internal decoding of True-HD and DTS-HD is of no use.
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Originally Posted by jdc115 /forum/post/13613415
The PS3 will not pass DTS MAHD as bitstream so it won't matter if the processor decodes DTS HD or not. But the PS3 will decode it internally (after 15 April) and pass it as LPCM so any processor that can accept multi-channel PCM over HDMI will be able to play it.
So at least as far as the PS3 is concerned, internal decoding of True-HD and DTS-HD is of no use.
I understand this completely - and it's fantastic news. I'm having trouble understanding how the different receivers will handle this though. My HK AVR-347 is only capable of 5.1 over MPCM over hdmi according to the chart. Does this mean that the 7.1 of the DTS MAHD etc will just be played over 5.1 speakers?
Edit: I'm still interested in understanding how this would be handled by a receiver. However, I've been informed in my AVR's official thread that the HK AVR-247/347 now support 7.1 MPCM via HDMI after updating to the latest firmware.
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Originally Posted by jdc115 /forum/post/13613415
The PS3 will not pass DTS MAHD as bitstream so it won't matter if the processor decodes DTS HD or not. But the PS3 will decode it internally (after 15 April) and pass it as LPCM so any processor that can accept multi-channel PCM over HDMI will be able to play it.
So at least as far as the PS3 is concerned, internal decoding of True-HD and DTS-HD is of no use.
It's like my tax day hangover consolation prize.........
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