Is PLIIx 7.1 better than 5.1 discrete? You can decide for yourself, but to me the answer is yes. My 7.1 speaker layout is not optimal for 5.1 playback mode because the sides are too forward and the rears too far behind.
Yes. Surround processing (EX pr PLIIx) are not able to operate with 7.1 discrete sources.
I love PLIIx!
I wonder what PLIIz with wide sounds like I can't imagine 9 speakers all around :)
Thank you for all this great feedback.
I have done some experiments with the different formats.
I prefer also the sound of PLIIx !
By the way i love the fantastic sound of the SSP 800 everything is so clear!
Nerver had something better in my home!
At last part i like to measure my room ( not just SPL ). Dose some one here have a good tutorial who to measure the room and configure the EQ ?
Yes OCD, ADD, ADHD, N, S AND SO ON.....
Recently with my Satellite feed , I changed my PVR from DD5.1 output to PCM and then in Prologic llx Movie mode on the Classe for 2 channel sources ..sound is fuller , bigger, better and just sounds great !
Think I am going to try Post processing incoming Discreet signals for blu ray and see what it sounds like ..any ideas on this ?
Do you think Classe will do ATMOS or AURO 3D in their new pre/pro?
The DATASAT looks really cool
Newbie to posting on this forum.
Recent purchase of SSP 800 ...blown away with sound and video quality, but need some help with audio video tweaks. I solicited the dealer to send programer to home for set up, but fell below expectations. Looking for a top Classe programmer that knows the acoustic details to help assist in set up various configurations that best utilize my cabling combinations with AV processor. Open to suggestions in the DFW area .
Listen to live music and recreate it at home.
I have also had experience where a bass issue has surfaced ( not same as yours , but nevertheless ) - I am running latest firmware-
It happens sporadically when I adjust the left/right surround channel ......the sub output shuts down .
This is fixed by reverting to another Configuration and back to my normal Configuration .Things then remain normal until I again adjust the surround volumes ands possibly this happens again .
A strange phenomenon also is that when changing the Sub out volume , there is a clicking noise in my left surround .......somehow there is a software glitch that is interconnected here .
I reported this to Classe .
So not same issue as yours ,but there might be a link??
Does your bass come back if you cycle the Configs as Alsof mentioned?
As a search for a workaround, when you say analog, do you mean 2-ch analog input with DSP processing on, DSP off, or 7.1 analog bypass?
Do you have a specific Config assigned to the analog input? And a different one for the HDMI input? If both are using the same Config file, I'd suggest using a different one for each source to see if that forces a refresh of the sub settings that are being dropped when you go back to HDMI.
Odd thought, when using MCH analog outs from oppo 105 to ssp-800 in bypass mode, my bass management is being handled in the oppo but with 5 channel DSD file (no sub channel) playing and no PCM conversion there is no bass management allowed. So do any of the speaker settings mean anything with my config 2 choice?
I changed the oppo 105 setting to output DSD in PCM format, audio from 105 to ssp-800 via hdmi, and the 5 channel file now gets bass mgmt by the classe. Much better low end IMO .
Listen to live music and recreate it at home.
When and why should I use Discrete mode? Is that for PCM streams only (already decoded somewhere previously?)
I run XBMC through HDMI to the SSP, and want to know what should my "prefered mode" be based on playing 2 ch, 5 ch music, and movies with all types of streams, from 2ch to dts-ma and truehd. I've always set it to discrete, so that if XBMC is sending a TrueHD signal, it can be decoded by the SSP via passthrough, or 2ch flac, or 5 ch flac, without manipulation. What happens if I am streaming a TrueHD signal and I have it set to PLII Movie for example?
Thanks for the help!
Last edited by Roger Dressler; 07-04-2014 at 03:02 AM.
In a 5.1 system, what does PLIIx do to the signals if the source material is 7.1 or 9.1? What about Discrete mode in a 5.1 system when the source material is 7.1 or 9.1?
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Discrete mode in a 5.1 system will present 7.1 content as 5.1. If the source is TrueHD or DTS-HD MA, it plays the embedded 5.1 mix (which includes all the surround channels). If the source is 7.1 PCM, it will downmix it to 5.1.
Last edited by Roger Dressler; 07-10-2014 at 04:24 AM.
In PLIIx music mode you can specify center channel width too. (or am I mistaken here? my Lexicon MC4 had that option for sure with logic7 working on 5.1 sources).
I use XLR balanced stereo for stereo sources (with Oppo BDP95) with no post processing (2.0) or with sub (2.1).
Anyway I prefer 5.1 source with PLIIx-music over 5.1 source with discrete with the SSP800.
(I have older B&W N803 fronts and rears with a htm1 center and DD15 velodyne sub.)
Anyway I will re evaluate the effect of PLIIx on 5.1 sources. If you say it doesn't do anything I believe you. I'll be home Saturday so I can re test it.
Maybe I just assumed the PLIIx worked on 5.1 sources like my MC4 Lexicon did with Logic7.
One of the things I miss from the Lexicon is that the SSP800 does not report in any info screen the exact input it receives. The MC4 would report DD 3/2/.1 448kbps or whatever bitrate it saw. The SSP800 does not disclose this. And even when you apply PLIIx you don't get to see the received format in the info screen (eventhough it is still reported via the serial link). Same goes for receiving PCM in various 16/20/24 bit sample size and rates. The Lex would report exactly what it received on the spdif.
Thanks for the feedback.
Will 4k video pass through the SSP800 as long as it adheres to the HDMI1.4 standard? Using the current HDMI1.4 board ofcourse.
Or is the 1080p60 the highest that will pass through the SSP800? I read the post above that 4k cannot be passed through. But 2160p30 still fits via HDMI1.4.
I hope Classe offers a 2.0 HDMI solution as that would make things somewhat future proof for at least the near future. Who knows what audio formats will be available in the years to come, however the world already is aware of the 4K video standards and since the SSP 800 is still their current model, a solution would be greatly appreciated.