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The issue is even though I suspect I will be able to get the measurements done relatively competently I don't have the foggiest clue about what to do with Center frequency, Q, Or Gain. I don't want the threadjack but it seems SSP related...is this the right place for those future questions?
As Kal mentioned, REW can prescribe filters. But the success depends on how you configure REW after the measurements have been made. Some key steps:

Treat the subwoofer EQ process differently from the main speakers. The goal for mains is to smooth out broad EQ differences among the speakers. The goal for the sub is to kill sharp resonances, and set an overall response curve.

For the mains, measure once for each speaker. Set the REW smoothing to 1 octave. In the EQ mode of REW, tell it you have 5 bands. set the gain for the filter generator near the lower end of the response curve so that it will induce REW to use EQ peak reduction. (The SSP-800 EQ offers 20 dB of cut range but only 3 dB of boost -- as boost is almost never a good idea).

For the sub, measure several locations within a ~2' diameter. Use 1/12th octave smoothing. Average the results. Let REW prescribe filters.

Sorry, have to run, but just wanted to give a thumbnail of the process.

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As Kal mentioned, REW can prescribe filters. But the success depends on how you configure REW after the measurements have been made. Some key steps:

Treat the subwoofer EQ process differently from the main speakers. The goal for mains is to smooth out broad EQ differences among the speakers. The goal for the sub is to kill sharp resonances, and set an overall response curve.

For the mains, measure once for each speaker. Set the REW smoothing to 1 octave. In the EQ mode of REW, tell it you have 5 bands. set the gain for the filter generator near the lower end of the response curve so that it will induce REW to use EQ peak reduction. (The SSP-800 EQ offers 20 dB of cut range but only 3 dB of boost -- as boost is almost never a good idea).

For the sub, measure several locations within a ~2' diameter. Use 1/12th octave smoothing. Average the results. Let REW prescribe filters.

Sorry, have to run, but just wanted to give a thumbnail of the process.
Roger, appreciate the time and the overview. I am still at the setting REW up stage. Downloading, Installing, Finding the right drivers, getting all the connections etc etc so I have a long way to go.

As advised I will check out Hometheatreshshack. That said, it seems there is plenty of SSP specific expertise right here so I might have to bother you guys again in the future!
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On another note...I was reading about the Sigma-SSP and noticed it is AirPlay enabled. It looked to me if that unit was connected by Ethernet that apple AirPlay products could see it directly. Is this functionality available on the CT-SSP? I can't find it and assume not, but thought I would check here.
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As an update on my sub issue it must have been the terminations. Everything is working correctly now. Thanks for the advice on moving the connections around it was worth a shot.

Just to confirm the manual is right for my set up the subs run from Sub Out and Aux 2.

A question on the noise sequence available under level in configurations. This pink noise cycles through the speakers in a pattern. Is there a way to advance the latter or to pause it on one speaker?
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On another note...I was reading about the Sigma-SSP and noticed it is AirPlay enabled. It looked to me if that unit was connected by Ethernet that apple AirPlay products could see it directly. Is this functionality available on the CT-SSP?
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A question on the noise sequence available under level in configurations. This pink noise cycles through the speakers in a pattern. Is there a way to advance the latter or to pause it on one speaker?
Yes. From the Levels menu, click the speaker of interest. When you touch the increase/decrease controls, the noise starts. But it also changes the gain, so you may not want that to happen -- then just click the opposite button to return it to the original setting.

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I must be missing something. I can't get the noise just by adjusting level....I have to use noise seq...
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I must be missing something. I can't get the noise just by adjusting level....I have to use noise seq...
Sorry. I was not in front of it when I wrote that -- so might have stated it wrong. But perhaps once the noise sequencer is turned on, it will follow whichever channel's level controls you touch.

I happen to like using a test disc for speaker level checks. The Spears&Munsil v2 has easy access to each channel.

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Sorry. I was not in front of it when I wrote that -- so might have stated it wrong. But perhaps once the noise sequencer is turned on, it will follow whichever channel's level controls you touch.

I happen to like using a test disc for speaker level checks. The Spears&Munsil v2 has easy access to each channel.
Really weird. My sub is lost again. It won't play the test tone. Disconnect. Reconnect. Try again. Seems to be a randomly occurring issue. Cable short?
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^^ Is the sub also silent with program content (easiest to determine with an LFE test signal such as THX Optimizer, Disney Tune up, Spear&Munsil, etc)? May still be tricky in Dual Mono, as both will be fed the same LFE signal from the test disc.

Which firmware are you running? >Menu>Status>Version Info.

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Firmware 3.0.2 build 102

Nothing to the sub connected to Aux2 at anytime. Either through test gone or run from content. Must be something wrong with the cable or the sub. I just swapped the connection points on the back of the SSP and the other output works now.

Sorry for wasting your time
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I happen to like using a test disc for speaker level checks. The Spears&Munsil v2 has easy access to each channel.
Roger, Have you noticed much difference in calibration levels when comparing the Spears & Munsil to the SSP's internal noise generator? I have used the AIX cal disc and noticed that my center and right front speakers were 2-3 dB down as compared to the internal gen. Conversely, my sub was a couple of dB hotter.

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Roger, Have you noticed much difference in calibration levels when comparing the Spears & Munsil to the SSP's internal noise generator? I have used the AIX cal disc and noticed that my center and right front speakers were 2-3 dB down as compared to the internal gen. Conversely, my sub was a couple of dB hotter.
The AIX disc is wideband pink noise, whereas the S&M is bandlimited 500 Hz - 2 kHz. The SSP-800 noise is also bandlimited (in the calibration section -- wideband in the PEQ section), but has a slightly different spectrum than the S&M or other THX-compliant discs. I get pretty good correlation across the discs, but the speakers have all been EQ'd. If they are not well matched, the AIX disc will read differently. The narrow band noise is focused on the more important frequencies, so set the levels with them, not AIX.

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Firmware 3.0.2 build 102

Nothing to the sub connected to Aux2 at anytime. Either through test gone or run from content. Must be something wrong with the cable or the sub. I just swapped the connection points on the back of the SSP and the other output works now.

Sorry for wasting your time
Had/till have the same sub issue .I am running latest firmware .
When adjustments are made to levels and happened both when changing levels of Left rear as well as subs , the sub output periodically shuts down for some or other reason .
To get this back , you have to on the fly switch to another configuration and back again to your chosen configuration - this fixes it . Must be a software bug !!

Also , on Noise sequence , as Roger advises you highlight this and then move to your speaker of choice which actives the Noise sequence once you highlight either the + or - of the speaker in question ...to get the noise sequence to remain on your speaker of choice without cycling , you double click on the Noise sequence label and then move to speaker of choice .
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The AIX disc is wideband pink noise, whereas the S&M is bandlimited 500 Hz - 2 kHz. The SSP-800 noise is also bandlimited (in the calibration section -- wideband in the PEQ section), but has a slightly different spectrum than the S&M or other THX-compliant discs. I get pretty good correlation across the discs, but the speakers have all been EQ'd. If they are not well matched, the AIX disc will read differently. The narrow band noise is focused on the more important frequencies, so set the levels with them, not AIX.
Thanks for the clarification. I was unaware of the bandwidth differences.

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Had/till have the same sub issue .I am running latest firmware .
When adjustments are made to levels and happened both when changing levels of Left rear as well as subs , the sub output periodically shuts down for some or other reason .
To get this back , you have to on the fly switch to another configuration and back again to your chosen configuration - this fixes it . Must be a software bug !!

Also , on Noise sequence , as Roger advises you highlight this and then move to your speaker of choice which actives the Noise sequence once you highlight either the + or - of the speaker in question ...to get the noise sequence to remain on your speaker of choice without cycling , you double click on the Noise sequence label and then move to speaker of choice .
Thanks for the info. I tried that last night and no go. But I this did:

Power off sub. Disconnect line in. Disconnect power. Connect power. Connect line in. Power on.

Back in operation.

Now to wait for a failure and just try one of those things at a time.
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Thanks for the info. I tried that last night and no go. But I this did:

Power off sub. Disconnect line in. Disconnect power. Connect power. Connect line in. Power on.

Back in operation.

Now to wait for a failure and just try one of those things at a time.
So tonight I fire everything up. Sub has disappeared as usual. I tried just turning it off and back on....good to go. Something must be whacky with the sub.
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So tonight I fire everything up. Sub has disappeared as usual. I tried just turning it off and back on....good to go. Something must be whacky with the sub.

Maybe just try another sub to see as to where the issue is .
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So tonight I fire everything up. Sub has disappeared as usual. I tried just turning it off and back on....good to go. Something must be whacky with the sub.
Does the sub use a 12v trigger to turn it on, or is it supposed to sense the audio and turn itself on? If the latter, try the former.

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I'll try swapping my subs from side to side to see if the same sub turns itself off.

The sun isn't triggered by 12v. It has a couple settings. Auto/on/something else. I will look tonight.

Another question in the CT-SSP is there a way to copy a configuration? I want to take my main set up. Copy it exactly to configuration 4 and then play with EQ tweaks there. Would just save time to copy and paste if possible.
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Any news about UHD / 4K for the SSP-800

Hi,

dose anyone got any news about an 4K upgrade for the SSP-800.

I have talked to an member of B&W last year on IFA and he told me that classé is working on an upgrade, but until now there is no news about this?


Maybe someone here has an better contact to classé ?

By the way mostly all competitors have upgraded their processors to 4K!

I have already a UHD LG TV and i can not use it with full solution with my SSP-800!!
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Hi Mr. Thiel,

I would not expect to see a 4K upgrade for the SSP-800 or the Sigma SSP anytime soon, and certainly not this year. My guess is that around the time 4k Blu-ray players start shipping, you'll probably see a 4K solution from Classe.

My advice- you don't want to be an early adopter of 4k switching solutions and right now still qualifies as early adoption.

I'm curious- what 4k source are you currently using?


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Hi,

dose anyone got any news about an 4K upgrade for the SSP-800.

I have talked to an member of B&W last year on IFA and he told me that classé is working on an upgrade, but until now there is no news about this?


Maybe someone here has an better contact to classé ?

By the way mostly all competitors have upgraded their processors to 4K!

I have already a UHD LG TV and i can not use it with full solution with my SSP-800!!
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I'm personally not that concerned if you add 4K on or not. My Oppo has two HDMI outputs, one straight into my projector, the other sends audio to the SSP-800. I would want if anything improved audio first.
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Hello Mr. Patrick Butler,

i´m very happy about your feedback. My biggest concern is, if Classé is working on an upgrade kit or not.

For me it is not important to get an upgrade in the next month, but i like to keep my invest of my SSP-800 save.

In case they would not bring any upgrade kit, i could sell my Classé for an good price an i must take a different processor like the "Foundation 4K Ultra HD Processor" which sounds also great!


I´m sure that there are a lot other classé owners how like to get this info.


*I'm personally not that concerned if you add 4K on or not. My Oppo has two HDMI outputs, one straight into my projector, the other sends audio to the SSP-800. I would want if anything improved audio first.
--> Yes that is right, but i have a $K Projector from Sony too, so in my case i need to switch the 4K to TV and Projector. And if we stay realistic, it is just a workaround.
If i would like to purchase a home cinema experiment i would take processors like a Yamaha or Denon or Marantz.
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Hi


Just wanted to chime inhere also, now that the question has been posed here.


I am also in the posission that I have just gotten myself a Panasonic AX900 UHD tv. Granted there really is not that much content availible as of yet, however some streaming services do indeed offer content in the UHD format, which would be great to be able to use with the SSP800.


Personally I havent yet purchased any home Cinema equipment, but the ssp800 and CA5300 along with some B&W800 speakers are at the top of my list. Therefor I also would like to know if we'll see a UHD upgrade at some point in the future or not? I completely understand that Classé would like to wait untill the dust settles, however I would be very sorry to have purchased the SSP800, only for it to become opsolite within a few months and be replaced with a totaly new processor!! I wanted to make this Classé purchase as a long tirm Investment, so would definitely like to know some plans before I go out and spend alot of Cash.


I have tried emailing classé about this issue also, but have received no reply so far.


All the best from Allan
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.............Personally I havent yet purchased any home Cinema equipment, but the ssp800 and CA5300 along with some B&W800 speakers are at the top of my list. Therefor I also would like to know if we'll see a UHD upgrade at some point in the future or not? I completely understand that Classé would like to wait untill the dust settles, however I would be very sorry to have purchased the SSP800, only for it to become opsolite within a few months and be replaced with a totaly new processor!! I wanted to make this Classé purchase as a long tirm Investment, so would definitely like to know some plans before I go out and spend alot of Cash.........
Allan, I think 2016 we may see Classe SSP-800 replacement but that is only suppositions Getting your speakers and amplifiers should not affect the decision to bu the SSP-800 if it were me today I would wait for the SSP-800 replacement.
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Allan, I think 2016 we may see Classe SSP-800 replacement but that is only suppositions Getting your speakers and amplifiers should not affect the decision to bu the SSP-800 if it were me today I would wait for the SSP-800 replacement.
If I may, allow me to offer my opinion regarding 4K resolution and the ability of any pre-pro or receiver to be used as a switching device:

First a couple questions for you:

• Do you have a source for broadcast TV (Over the air, Cable, Satellite) that you watch on a regular basis?
• Can you discern a difference from your normal viewing position between NBC, CBS, FOX, or ABC?
• Are you aware NBC and CBS transmit in 1080i whereas ABC and FOX transmit in 720P?
( If one does the math on the pixel count, 720P has 921,600 pixels whereas 1080i has more than double at 2,073,600 pixels
• For the last 10 years I have watched (via a projected image) most of my HDTV and Blu-rays on a 118 inch (nearly 10 foot diagonal) screen and I cannot detect a difference between 720P and 1080i (Perhaps I have really poor corrected vision)

My points is video resolution is only one component in the Hi Def scheme.

Given normal human visual acuity 1080 resolution is plenty good enough.

Once adequate resolution has been met, my opinion is better images can only be had from better display devices capable of producing more accurate colors, increased contrast ratios, and enhanced shadow detail.

I believe all of this necessary goodness (not to mention lossless Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD Master audio, and 3D) is currently available in the current HDMI 1.4 spec.

I think 4K is simply marketing hype. (I believe the formal spec has not yet been finalized) Granted the pixel count goes way up, but unless you are an eagle or your normal viewing distance is 6 inches from the screen, 4K will be of very little benefit to your home theater experience.

For me, the SSP-800 is all about the glorious audio it produces. The fact that it also switches video is just a “nice to have”.
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If I may, allow me to offer my opinion regarding 4K resolution and the ability of any pre-pro or receiver to be used as a switching device:

First a couple questions for you:

• Do you have a source for broadcast TV (Over the air, Cable, Satellite) that you watch on a regular basis? NEVER
• Can you discern a difference from your normal viewing position between NBC, CBS, FOX, or ABC? I DON"T WATCH TV SO IT IS IRRELEVANT
• Are you aware NBC and CBS transmit in 1080i whereas ABC and FOX transmit in 720P? WHO CARES
( If one does the math on the pixel count, 720P has 921,600 pixels whereas 1080i has more than double at 2,073,600 pixels
• For the last 10 years I have watched (via a projected image) most of my HDTV and Blu-rays on a 118 inch (nearly 10 foot diagonal) screen and I cannot detect a difference between 720P and 1080i (Perhaps I have really poor corrected vision) WEll I CAN I have a 10 foot wide screen and sit 10 feet away from it

My points is video resolution is only one component in the Hi Def scheme. AGREED COLOR, BLACKS AND AUDIO ARE KEY

Given normal human visual acuity 1080 resolution is plenty good enough. THAT IS YOUR OPINION

Once adequate resolution has been met, my opinion is better images can only be had from better display devices capable of producing more accurate colors, increased contrast ratios, and enhanced shadow detail. YES OLED IS KING NOW IF ONLY A 10F WIDE OLED SCREEN WAS AVAILABLE!

I believe all of this necessary goodness (not to mention lossless Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD Master audio, and 3D) is currently available in the current HDMI 1.4 spec.

I think 4K is simply marketing hype. OK THAT AGAIN IS YOUR OPINION and I TEND TO AGREE, UNLESS YOU HAVE A LARGE SCREEN AND SIT CLOSE TO IT (I believe the formal spec has not yet been finalized) Granted the pixel count goes way up, but unless you are an eagle or your normal viewing distance is 6 inches from the screen, 4K will be of very little benefit to your home theater experience.

For me, the SSP-800 is all about the glorious audio it produces. The fact that it also switches video is just a “nice to have”.
the SSP-800 is very nice but it is getting long in the tooth, plus I am tired to have to recalibrate it by hand every time I change my layout
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the SSP-800 is very nice but it is getting long in the tooth, plus I am tired to have to recalibrate it by hand every time I change my layout
WSE, Sorry, I selected the wrong response to quote. I intended to quote Allen but selected your reply to him by mistake.

Nonetheless I think we generally agree more than we disagree.

Yes, the SSP-800 is getting a bit long in the tooth. It is neither Dolby Atmos, DTS: X nor UHD capable and it does not have any sort of automatic acoustic room correction feature.

But, to my ears it, sounds really terrific. My SSP with only speaker distances and volume levels set sounds much better in my media room than any other Receiver/Processor I have ever used in the last 12 years.

BTW, I have clicked on and admired your not so “Humble Cinema” numerous times. My goodness your system is really something.

I think Classe is being prudent in letting the dust settle on HDMI 2.0 before making any wholesale changes.

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WSE, Sorry, I selected the wrong response to quote. I intended to quote Allen but selected your reply to him by mistake.

Nonetheless I think we generally agree more than we disagree.

Yes, the SSP-800 is getting a bit long in the tooth. It is neither Dolby Atmos, DTS: X nor UHD capable and it does not have any sort of automatic acoustic room correction feature.

But, to my ears it, sounds really terrific. My SSP with only speaker distances and volume levels set sounds much better in my media room than any other Receiver/Processor I have ever used in the last 12 years.

BTW, I have clicked on and admired your not so “Humble Cinema” numerous times. My goodness your system is really something.

I think Classe is being prudent in letting the dust settle on HDMI 2.0 before making any wholesale changes.

John
Hello John,

No worries, yes I love the sound of the SSP-800 but I really would like to get Room Perfect or DIRAC. Thanks for the compliments I don't get to use the system as much as I want to these days
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