Originally Posted by danielo
I agree with you i am following all these threads and just made the observation that ive never seen anyone make a statement you say we did :
"the Denon and Onkyo folk that think we are fools for chosing the SSP-800 are unhappy with the audio performance of their pre/pro's and are choosing analog devices to compensate"
At least not from anyone from the denon avp 'folks' what i have seen so far is that its a group that is very open and not of the A is better then B kind . Thats why i responded don't like how you tried to pinhole us into a 'folks that think we are fools' statement.
Back to the 800 and the new boards...
I was typing on my iphone last night, so didn't want to get into it. To back my own statement. A large percentage of people that have purchased the Pioneer 09 BD player have done so for the analog section. I too bought into the hype of this player and borrowed one from my dealer, but I was hoping a difference in video between my PS3 and the Pioneer. The conclusion I came to was there was no significant difference. I actually found the PS3 to have more bass.
anyways. The people purchasing the 09 for the analog section, in my observation, include owners of the high end onkyo and denon products. These same people preferred the analog section of the 09 to that of running it digital to their receiver/pre-pro. Now we can debate the merit of what it is they prefer about the Pioneer vs the processors, but on the surface, it appears that the digital sections are inferior to the analog section of the Pioneer - thus why they are choosing to use the Pioneer. This has nothing to do with the classe product.
In my own tests, I found that the SSP-800 was better and running the signal HDMI was the best way to go. Analog out of the Pioneer is unnecessary, and IMO, an inferior approach to my ears. We could debate that I prefer the burr browns over the wolfsons, or whatnot, but the fact is I prefer the classe implementation over the pioneer implementation. Now obvisously this is a limited sample on both sides to come to any REAL conclusion, but the conclusion I made was the one I stated.
When I first bought the SSP, I had a lot of pride, and found myself entering into conversations of one product is better than the other. now, I just don't care.