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Hello, I'm looking for a recommendation on a new amplifier, considering the M25 or Outlaw 7700. I'm pretty clear either packs enough power for me at 7x160 and 7x200 balanced respectively. Prices are close enough so that price is not a factor in my decision. I'm looking to keep the amp a long time. I will enjoy both HT and 2 channel listening. Is there any reason or recommendation to buy one over the other?

Thanks much for your help and advice,
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Hello, I'm looking for a recommendation on a new amplifier, considering the M25 or Outlaw 7700. I'm pretty clear either packs enough power for me at 7x160 and 7x200 balanced respectively. Prices are close enough so that price is not a factor in my decision. I'm looking to keep the amp a long time. I will enjoy both HT and 2 channel listening. Is there any reason or recommendation to buy one over the other?

This would be a tough decision, both are good amps. I would tend to go for more power.

NAD designs and manufactures very good amps and pre-amps (analog stuff). I've used a few of their amps (C272, T975), also using one of their new T175 surround-processors, these have all been very nice sounding products- very "musical". The M25 is an exceptional sounding multi-channel amp with good power- period! Moreover it employs built-in variable-speed fan technology.

On the other hand Outlaw makes good amp products, althoug I have'nt had hands-on experience with one (yet). I'm not sure how "musical" their amps are. But I do prefer around 200W per/chan, and balanced inputs/outputs are a nice addition.

Therefore, I don't think you could lose either way. But I would probably opt for the M25.............
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I have the M25, and its got Total controll, good dynamics ...... i can go on and on

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Thanks very much for your input. I have a T175 on order replacing a short trial with a T775. This will be my first time with separates.

West CoastD, you said you like around 200w each. Do you listen to music or movies really loud or do you feel the extra wattage helps sq even at "normal" listening volumes? Also, you said you have or had a T975. How do you like it?


Any more input on this comparison is greatly appreciated.
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I would go with the M25 for sure. It is a wonderful amp.
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M25 fo sho
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you said you like around 200w each. Do you listen to music or movies really loud or do you feel the extra wattage helps sq even at "normal" listening volumes? Also, you said you have or had a T975. How do you like it?

I listen to music probably 90% of the time (CD', SACD's, DVD-A's), listen at moderate levels mostly.

I started off using various model Yamaha receivers (120W to 140W per/chan). Then I augmented my front channels with an NAD C272 amp (150W X 2), which really helped to make 2-channel and multi-channel music better, also home-theater surround more dynamic. Later I added two more C272 amps (for a total of three C272's, or 150W X 6). Now my Yamaha reciever was only used as pre-pro, the overall sound and dynamics were even better, the NAD amps did everything with much less effort. I was using Energy RC-Series speakers (RC-30 fronts, RC-LCR center, RC-R rears).

Eventually I bought a new NAD T975 mostly to save space. It essentially had the same sound as the C272 amp, only 7-channels. The other nice thing I like is these amps employ NAD's variable-speed fan technology.

Two months ago I got one of the first shipments of the T175 units. Combined with the T975 amp the sound and performance was wonderful for music, DVD-Movie and digital-cable surround sources. The T175 is really a nice sounding unit. The T175/T975 combination is definitly an excellent match. Of course NAD developed all these products to work together.

Just recently I upgraded to Monitor Audio GS-Series speakers (GS-60 fronts and GS-LCR center), so I switched to a new Parasound Halo A51 amp (250W X 5). Man this amp is killer! and it is so beautiful sounding with the T175 and these Monitor Audio speakers. So I'm content for a long time now (no need to upgrade any further as far as I'm concerned).

By having more power the sound is very smooth and dynamic at lower, or moderate, levels. Also you're barely into the noise floor.

So I would definitely recommend going with the T175/T975 or T175/M25 combination, you'll be very happy (preferably the M25).
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Thanks so much for the recommendations and advice, all for the M25, which is kind of where my heart is. I did have a few recommendations from another forum to check out the Emotiva MPS-2 7x200. I'm sure its an amazing amp, like the Outlaw, but somehow feel compelled to stay with NAD. I had a receiver for 20 years and loved it.

Thanks again guys,
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CrescendoM3, bought something?
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Yes, ended up with T975. After talking with Bob Moran from NAD and after doing my taxes, I felt the T975 was the right answer for me. Its benefitted from much of what's in the M25 and is within 20 continuous watts per channel. I think it will have enough power for my needs and saves me a few bucks (~$400). Thanks again for your input and advice. I shoudl receive it next Tuesday...

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Yes, ended up with T975. After talking with Bob Moran from NAD and after doing my taxes, I felt the T975 was the right answer for me

you'll be very happy! Bob told me that they did much of their T175 development using the T975 combination, so they are probably the best matched.
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I have the T175/M25 combination as well. Out of about a dozen amps I've owned, the M25 is by far the best amp I've had. However it is a monster sized amp and extremely heavy. The amps I've had in the past year were a couple Rotels, Parasound, Adcom, Anthem, Yamaha, B&K, 2 Yamaha receivers, and an old NAD.

I've used the M25 with a receiver, an old NAD and old Adcom Preamps and the T175. The sound from it is warm, but neutral. No harshness, no hearing fatigue. The highs sound right on, the mid is smooth and detailed and the bass is strong. It doesn't seem to ever run out of power and I've cranked it up as loud as I could stand it. It is only rated at 160 watts/ch but has more dynamic power than many 200 watt multi-channel amps. I'm sure the T975 is similar in most respects.
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I noticed on the NAD site that their amps are class A design. Outlaw on the other hand seems to be class H (correct me if im wrong). Wondering if there's a sound difference b/w a class A design and a class H?
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I am also considering adding an amp, If I do add one it would either be the Nad M25 or Outlaw #7700.
I don't need an amp, my 805 is astonishing- but a 100lb amp would be badass to the divamax!

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I'm also running a 175/975 combo. Whether it's music or movies, they sound very nice. Never fatiguing or harsh on my M&K's. The 975 really shines when you start leaning on it(volume-wise).
I've actually not had the chance to really open it up, as I live in an apartment...

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After much pondering and a ridiculous amount of back and forth decisioning I have decided that I can't pass up on the deal I can get the 175/975 combo for.

Originally I had planned on getting the M25 and later on adding in a T175HD. But since Lenbrook is need to offload remaining stock on the T175 (without the updated cards) I can get a killer deal on this combo.

Then, in a few months, probably once I upgrade my projector, I will upgrade the video card to the VM200 with the VXP processor.

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+1 for the M25, one of the best amps I've had in my system and IMO the hidden "gem" of the Master Series line..
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Where does the NAD T973 fit into this equation?? The specs for the T975 & T973 on the NAD web site are virtually identical, so what is the real difference (except for the variable speed fan) that accounts for the different MSRPs??

Ryan;
Can you PM me with the details of the sweet T175/T975 deal? And in the end, once you upgrade the video board, what is the difference between your revised T175 and the T175HD?
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Just recently I upgraded to Monitor Audio GS-Series speakers (GS-60 fronts and GS-LCR center), so I switched to a new Parasound Halo A51 amp (250W X 5). Man this amp is killer! and it is so beautiful sounding with the T175 and these Monitor Audio speakers. So I'm content for a long time now (no need to upgrade any further as far as I'm concerned).

By having more power the sound is very smooth and dynamic at lower, or moderate, levels. Also you're barely into the noise floor.

So I would definitely recommend going with the T175/T975 or T175/M25 combination, you'll be very happy (preferably the M25).

WestCoastD, I was considering selling my Marantz SR8002 and get a T175/T975 combo,
do you know if NAD has fix all the problems with T175 or there are still issues left unresolvoed??
How big of the difference is it for you when drivng the GS60 with T975 comparing to A51??

Ryan, I also would like to know what kind of the deal you get for the T175/T975 combo, pm me if possible, thanks
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Ryan, I also would like to know what kind of the deal you get for the T175/T975 combo, pm me if possible, thanks

Well I'm in Canada, so in Canadian dollars it is about a 30% discount of list.

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Good luck converting the NAD M25 to 220 volt, assuming they don't use that in Canada?
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