Originally Posted by Deandome
You're actually holding out the color...the 'prettiness' of the OSD as an asset?
Good freaking god, that's completely ridiculious. The usability...the ability to navigate, to rename sources, etc...THOSE are indeed issues (though still rather trivial, IMO, as you don't use them that much after you get things set up).
Denon's GUI on the 3808ci (and up) is most definitely a feature. The fact it's presented out over HDMI at any resolution, the fact it's available on Zone 2 are all big. It's hardly about setup, either. Heck, with my 4308ci I used the web interface for much of the setup! *big grin* ... but the GUI allows you to select and change sound settings or whatever else you may wish without worrying about cramming every discrete setting on to your remote. It gives you access to Net Radio, makes slide shows (4308) and displays tuner information including station/song info for HD Radio (4308).
Anyay, Onkyo is the upstart in the comparison, expect to pay more for Denon - but you're going to get Denon's experience and features you may not recognize until you actually have to try to get something done with the units.
And the fact Denon runs cooler is a HUGE difference, unless you like fans, or never plan to put your AVR in a rack of some sort. Do the Onkyo's still have lip sync problems? The Denon's process audio and video very quickly.
Finally it shouldn't be discounted that not only is Denon currently being supported on this board (by no less than Jeff Talmidge himself aka DenonJeff) but that the networked units support firmware upgrading over the internet.
So many want the Onkyo because of it's video processor, but if that video processor causes heat problems and introduces delay is it really the killer feature? Personally, I don't need my AVR to scale video, my Pioneer TV does a fine job.
THX certification is something the Onkyo needs to prove their capabilities and compete against Denon, but Denon had already demonstrated they can build world class AVR's long ago. THX specifies an 80hz cutoff, but with the Denon I can dial in whatever I want on a per speaker basis. Does the Onkyo allow this? Or is it locked in to 80hz because of THX?
Technically the 5308ci will get you THX and a whole lot more, but that's way out of the price range of the other units.
In the end, all you can do is research your choices, and if you can't convince yourself; then buy what you think may be the best fit from somewhere you can return it - if you're wrong.