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Old 03-02-2008, 09:37 PM
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It's supposed to be out by mid march. That's what I was told by jr.com.

Thanks, sounds like not too much longer for the wait....this timeframe is doable.
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Newbie question:
Just last week I updated to an HDMI HDTV with HDMI DVD player and HDMI AVR (Sony DG510) thinking HDMI was the correct path to take.

I could not configure the Sony AVR to process the HDMI audio through the receiver to speakers without an optical cable. Audio would pass-through HDMI to the HDTV but not in the AVR itself.

My good friend who has an awesome HT with stadium seating, popcorn maker, personalized opening credits, and incredible audio, lectured me for a few hours and recommended I take the DG510 back and order the Yamaha V663.

So I'm reading this currently 11 page 300+ thread and the downloaded manual, and still cannot ascertain if this AVR is the solution for my issue.

Finally to the question: Will I be able to process the audio with only HDMI cables in the AVR to my speakers with this V663?
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Newbie question:
Just last week I updated to an HDMI HDTV with HDMI DVD player and HDMI AVR (Sony DG510) thinking HDMI was the correct path to take.

I could not configure the Sony AVR to process the HDMI audio through the receiver to speakers without an optical cable. Audio would pass-through HDMI to the HDTV but not in the AVR itself.

My good friend who has an awesome HT with stadium seating, popcorn maker, personalized opening credits, and incredible audio, lectured me for a few hours and recommended I take the DG510 back and order the Yamaha V663.

So I'm reading this currently 11 page 300+ thread and the downloaded manual, and still cannot ascertain if this AVR is the solution for my issue.

Finally to the question: Will I be able to process the audio with only HDMI cables in the AVR to my speakers with this V663?

Yes
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It's supposed to be out by mid march. That's what I was told by jr.com.

When did you order? They told me they would have it in a few days when I ordered this last weekend. Either way, it won't be long!

To the other person mentioning the 705, that's what I have right now. I'll write-up my comparision when I get the Yamaha. I got the 705 on a refurb deal and there are some issues here and there with static, when it is playing cleanly the sound is amazing. No major sync issues for me, it might be off a very very minor amount to the TV, and there is fixes for those who want to attack it. No sync issues on DVD whatsoever.
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Newbie question:
Will I be able to process the audio with only HDMI cables in the AVR to my speakers with this V663?

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Yes

Thanks CueTheMusic for the quick and concise reply. Many thanks to all those who posted Q&A in this thread.

I just got off the phone with Rick at JR, very helpful, a little hesitant at first to offer the special deal, but after mentioning Larone and the AVSForum he hooked me up.

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I couldn't find an answer on previous post so here's my question:

When this receiver upconverts analog to HDMI, at what resolution does it do it? Will it pass-through 1080p signals for component? (I know it will do it for HDMI).
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I believe this question has been answered a couple of times. Sombody correct me if I'm wrong, but the 663 does not up-convert the signal and simply passes the signal through the HDMI. The 863 will up convert (or what ever the correct term is) the analog 480 signal to 720/1080 etc.

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I don't mean upscale but upconvert. Like the Onkyo 705 upconverts analog to HDMI but clips at 720p. Analog to analog or HDMI to HDMI passes through (1080p component -> 1080p component). Is this true?
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Okay, my mistake. My terminology or understanding is probably wrong.

I believe I read here that it will pass a 1080 signal and does not clip it a 720P.

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I ordered mine yesterday and they said they would have it in a few days...

I was told it would be the end of March when I ordered mine about 1 week ago. Have they bumped up their estimate of when this will be available?
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I ordered mine Saturday. I asked for the deal and the answer was no until I mentioned avsforum and I was gold. Thanks
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Okay, my mistake. My terminology or understanding is probably wrong.

I believe I read here that it will pass a 1080 signal and does not clip it a 720P.

I think we're in different pages

Here's my question:

1080i/p component -> HDMI ????
480i/p component -> HDMI ????
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I was told it would be the end of March when I ordered mine about 1 week ago. Have they bumped up their estimate of when this will be available?

That's what it sounds like to me, probably being a bit conservative early on so they don't disappoint, I'd go with the two day old info over the week old. It could be longer but I'm just passing on what I was told. If it takes a little longer it takes a little longer.
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I never buy extended warranties for any of my purchases. I did with the RX-V663. I also never buy on pre-order. Did anyone else by the 4 or 5 year warranties or do you feel it's a waste of money? Mine is 5 years at 59.99.
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I think we're in different pages

Here's my question:

1080i/p component -> HDMI ????
480i/p component -> HDMI ????

There is no upscaling or clipping.

1080i/p component -> 1080i/p HDMI
480i/p component -> 480i/p HDMI

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When this receiver upconverts analog to HDMI, at what resolution does it do it?

The 663 transcodes/converts analog video (composite, s-video and component video) to HDMI at whatever the input resolution is - i.e., 1080i analog in becomes 1080i digital out. IOW, the Conversion feature (page 97 of manual) doesn't scale the data - it's strictly Analog-to-Digital conversion.
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Thanks for the reply. I'm trying to decide between this one and the Onkyo 705. Any thoughts?

I know it has one less HDMI input but for $200 less I don't care.
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FYI-preorder still available at j and r. at great price. 29 shipping
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I think we're in different pages

Here's my question:

1080i/p component -> HDMI ????
480i/p component -> HDMI ????

Pages?? I'm not even in the same book!

Sorry, I'm still in the "I don't know what I don't know" phase. I just haven't admitted it to myself yet.
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There is no upscaling or clipping.

1080i/p component -> 1080i/p HDMI
480i/p component -> 480i/p HDMI

This is pretty much what I meant by "it will pass the signal".

I'm going to find a good article with proper terms and technology before I try to help.

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Personally I wouldn't spend $60 on a warranty for a $400 receiver, what's the factory two years? If it isn't going to fail it will probably be in the first year or in 10 years. Just my two cents.
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Pulled the trigger and pre-ordered with JR.com, got the amazing price and free shipping.
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Oh, look! I feel smarter'er already!

A good read for us noobs

General AVR FAQ's for the noob

So,...now, I know what I don't know. Well, some of it anyway.

I learned the term "up-converting" from DVD players and TV's. Not exactly sure why the term couldn't be a bit more universal in the HT world, but I understand that up-scaling is more accurate. I also have a better understanding of deinterlacing and how it applies.

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Oh yea, what you don't know about the Jr.com special pricing is that it obligates you to do a full review with pictures and videos the instant it arrives at your doorstep! Just kidding! Well not really, my review will be posted about 90 minutes after I secure the last HDMI cable!
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Very cool.

I can't wait to read a review or two before I jump on one of these receivers. I just upgraded all my speakers and wouldn't mind a little recovery time for my credit card.

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OK. Now I've got a major problem. I listed my old Yamaha AVR for sale and someone wants to pick it up and I have no idea when my 663 will arrive.

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I wonder why people are getting all excited about hearing a review
of 663. There is not going to be much difference in SQ between
661 and 663 just because they added post HDMI audio capabilities.
How many of us can perceive the difference in SQ if at all , between
multi channel LPCM and the bit stream. I doubt anyone could.
IMO post HDMI audio (1.3) is just a convenience as you can have
just a single cable instead of multiple connections for 7.1.

I also dont think 663 would be any better than 659 or 657.
659 was supposed to be better built and better sounding
than 661 and in all probability 659 will also be better than 663.

Infact one of the reviewers of 659 said that he found 657 to
sound better.

I had 659 and also have the older 795a and they both are better
sounding than 661. Then why did I bother to pre-order 663? well
I didnt like the remote of 659/661. Like I said many times before
the engineers have been stupid enough to change the remote design
from the older models like 795a and made it worse (slow response)

The 663 remote has changed. So I have some vain hope that the
remote will be better. If the SQ is no better than 661 then I will
just use it as a pre.pro or just return the crap back and get the
Marantz SR4002.

BTW: I preordered couple of weeks back and I was told that
it could be as late as third week of March and that it all depends
on how soon Yamaha ships them.

They havent even charged my credit card yet.

It will come when it comes and I sure will post my rant about the
remote response and SQ compared to 661, 659 and 795a :-)
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I wonder why people are getting all excited about hearing a review
of 663. There is not going to be much difference in SQ between
661 and 663 just because they added post HDMI audio capabilities.
How many of us can perceive the difference in SQ if at all , between
multi channel LPCM and the bit stream. I doubt anyone could.
IMO post HDMI audio (1.3) is just a convenience as you can have
just a single cable instead of multiple connections for 7.1.

I also dont think 663 would be any better than 659 or 657.
659 was supposed to be better built and better sounding
than 661 and in all probability 659 will also be better than 663.

Infact one of the reviewers of 659 said that he found 657 to
sound better.

I had 659 and also have the older 795a and they both are better
sounding than 661. Then why did I bother to pre-order 663? well
I didnt like the remote of 659/661. Like I said many times before
the engineers have been stupid enough to change the remote design
from the older models like 795a and made it worse (slow response)

The 663 remote has changed. So I have some vain hope that the
remote will be better. If the SQ is no better than 661 then I will
just use it as a pre.pro or just return the crap back and get the
Marantz SR4002.

BTW: I preordered couple of weeks back and I was told that
it could be as late as third week of March and that it all depends
on how soon Yamaha ships them.

They havent even charged my credit card yet.

It will come when it comes and I sure will post my rant about the
remote response and SQ compared to 661, 659 and 795a :-)


If you're not too sure if you're going to like the 663, and it sounds like your only buying it for the remote? Wouldn't it just be alot easier and cheaper to just buy a universal remote?

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If you're not too sure if you're going to like the 663, and it sounds like your only buying it for the remote? Wouldn't it just be alot easier and cheaper to just buy a universal remote?

+1
You're trading sound quality for a better remote?
You don't sound all that optimistic. Why not just get the Marantz now?


For what it's worth I'm more interested in the 863. This puts me at a different price point and leaves me with a few more options if I decide to go with it or something else. Reading professional reviews and hearing opinions from more experienced AVR owners is valuable to me and probably quite a few people here. How the remote performs is pretty low on my list. But we all have our objectives when upgrading our equipment.

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Ditto on J&R coming through with the special pricing + free shipping just earlier today (rep/ext via PM if you wanna). I was so excited I forgot to ask for a ship date estimation.

I'm new to this whole HT cash vacuum, building my first setup and shifting my focus to sound now... Has anyone mated a set of Polks RTi bookshelves to the v661 that could speak to the combo just for kicks?
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Pulled the trigger and pre-ordered with JR.com, got the amazing price and free shipping.

Free shipping is back on? They charged me for shipping..and several others.
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