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I doubt Mythbusters would be interested as the proof we want to show would not be on anything aside from very technical equipment and would be meaningless to the vast majority of the viewing audience.

After all, we ARE a niche market.

Not really, the world is exposed to Monster products when they walk into BB.

99% of all people who buy audio equipment still believe higher priced cable products probably sound better but they do not really care.

Although, I have always wondered why Mythbusters have not tackled the who debate surrounding cables.

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Although, I have always wondered why Mythbusters have not tackled the who debate surrounding cables.

Oh sheesh....that's an easy question.


No explosions.



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a while ago a Canadian TV (CBC) did a little cover on BS salesman selling HDMI cable and they did a small comparability of the cables on some testing equipment, not a real super scientific test but still so true http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eEy5AqJ91Y
and here the original version of it with some salesman pushing their BS cable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDw2ZSDzlMw.

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Oh sheesh....that's an easy question.


No explosions.



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lmao, too true.... No explosions. Audio myths are too boring for most!

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LOL!
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Yeah, it would be horrible if the US seen that Canadian stuff, what a bunch of BS. Isn't Canada owned by the U.S. anyway?
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ooopsss sorry about that, No pure made in Canada, no US related, anyway as far as i know Lol

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If we could design a test where the soundstage from a regular wire is measured as to width and then change out the wire to the "WalletDrainer" styles. If the soundstage is NOT wider then nothing happens. If the soundstage stretches past a certain point it triggers a series of gasoline bombs.

I will leave it to JPS et al to find a way to do that. I am sure he will try.
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They will certainly have an explanation as to the fact that is happening. that's all it takes, you tell the people it does it, and it does. this is "audiophile" logic and reality are not in play. How a piece of wire after the fact changes the acoustic sense of the recording is mind numbing. Make a claim, sell it, there is no accountability. Most products have to do what is claimed, why is audiophile products exempt? Every wire scam mfg. has a different method to their magic, and yet, they all claim similar results? It defies logic. But the cash keeps on coming in,
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It boils down to:
1) physics
2) common sense
3) lemmings
4) no budget

Choose the one that makes you happy.
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Lemmings!
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Try this: WalletDrainer Audiphool Cables- Lemming Series Mark 5
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Now this guy has better sounding line cords, if JPS don't, or Shunatatatatatatatata, or Synergistic "research"... http://www.psaudio.com/ps/products/d...es-accessories
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How's this for a line of pure Bull? So an AC line cord which is 60Hz. Has a section in it for treble, bass, and etc. Who can actually believe"Lots of unique technology, all designed to produce the most balanced, powerful AC cable ever made. 8 Gauge, pure PCOCC copper in multiple gauges and shapes. Inside the AC12 are four hollow PCOCC conductors for the treble regions, one massive PCOCC rectangular conductor for the midrange, multiple gauges of PCOCC bundled together for the bass."

http://www.psaudio.com/ps/products/d...es-accessories

http://************/20ybit this BS nonsense? you have to be brain dead! AC power is 60Hz...there ain't no treble, there ain't no bass! Unsubstantiated BS claims, FTC please!
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http://www.psaudio.com/uploads/image...and-ground.jpg
Take that pesky ground off, this surely is dumb, illegal?
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Take that pesky ground off, this surely is dumb, illegal?



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Take that pesky ground off, this surely is dumb, illegal?


Neither, necessarily. I have three audio devices with non-grounding IEC C18 receptacles as designed by the mfg. They will accept either the C17 non-grounding plug or the more common C13 grounding plug.

Since the cable in the picture has a grounding pin I presume the other end is an IEC C13. If I were to use this cable with any of these three devices it would be perfectly fine to remove the grounding pin because the equipment ground is not carried through to the product by the C18 receptacle anyway.

Just because there is a knob doesn't mean you should turn it.
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Because they have an isolation transformer, and a polarized plug. removing the ground pin is retarded, and dangerous. This is sold as a replacement cord, due to to magical powers, so they have no idea to what type system it's going onto. compete insanity!
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And of course the same comedians that bring you the removable ground pin, has an AC cord with bass, treble and mid range special wires!!! Last time on this planet AC is 50 or 60Hz, but on planet audiophile insane, it has audible frequency affected by it, so it needs special sections! Who actually thinks this nonsense is legit? "ots of unique technology, all designed to produce the most balanced, powerful AC cable ever made. 8 Gauge, pure PCOCC copper in multiple gauges and shapes. Inside the AC12 are four hollow PCOCC conductors for the treble regions, one massive PCOCC rectangular conductor for the midrange, multiple gauges of PCOCC bundled together for the bass."

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And what direction is your AC line cord? More BS for idiots, if you think the copper wire in an AC line cord has directionality, due to how the copper was made, you are an idiot! Of course in audiophooleville, anything goes, except actual facts and reality!
"Conductor directionality
Over the years we have come to agree with a select few cable manufacturers that believe conductor direction is critical to high-performance. The direction each conductor is pulled out of the wire machine determines how it will sound when built into a power or audio cable.

Tremendous debate has taken place over these phenomena but from our perspective there can be no doubt about their existence. It did not take multiple listening tests to verify that a spool of wire sounds different when one end or the other is used as the source. All conductors in the PerfectWave AC Series are spool tested at the factory for directionality and then wound into the power cables in the same direction.

This attention to detail provides a remarkable coherence and special accuracy to the sound of connected equipment powered by a PerfectWave AC cable."

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Keep it civil and don't make everyone dislike everyone from N.J.
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Because they have an isolation transformer, and a polarized plug. removing the ground pin is retarded, and dangerous. This is sold as a replacement cord, due to to magical powers, so they have no idea to what type system it's going onto. compete insanity!

Last I checked "cheater plugs" are still available for $0.99 each at a store near you. FWIW, if you look closely it appears to me the power cord in question is polarized too.

Don't get me wrong I'm not an advocate of high dollar cords, just that removing the ground pin isn't dangerous or irresponsible in all cases, and it's no more or no less dangerous or irresponsible than selling cheater plugs, IMO.

Just because there is a knob doesn't mean you should turn it.
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Too close to Camden....duck!
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Cheater plugs are also a NEC violation. Read the code, understand the code, it matters.
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In addition the a reality check perhaps a brush-up course on the difference between AC (power and signal) and DC.
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USB $4.95 !!! Parts Expres versus PS Audio nonsense, of course you can hear the difference! http://www.parts-express.com/images/.../130-568_L.jpg
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Well yeah one is mini USB one is USB A or sumptin, not the point, point is the rip off p[ricing by scammers.
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"Conductor directionality
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You mean if the cable is laid north and south the current will not flow north and south?
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