Originally Posted by dragonfyr
You know, it really gets old listening to 'social tweets' that instead of adding to any understanding of acoustics now hold the 'teacher', whose only job need be to present material, responsible for not learning the material for the 'student' as well.
So tell me, after how many years of being so intimately concerned with audio and acoustics and after all the time spent on this forum (in one case assuming just 1minute per post, a modest estimate of 350 HOURS simply posting
!) as well as all the time spent reading marketing brochures, how much time has actually been spent reading any actual reference text about acoustics?
Obviously not much.
And dare one ask what is an "LEFZRED"????
As if you had bothered to just
read chapter 6-9 of Sound System Engineering by Davis, 2nd edition - and yes, I specifically mention the 2nd edition as it has only
been available since 1987
for all of you time constrained
folks - covering:
Chapter 6 Loudspeaker Directivity and Coverage;
Chapter 7 The Acoustic Environment;
Chapter 8 Large Room Acoustics; and
Chapter 9 Small Room Acoustics;
not only would all of this 'controversy be moot, but you might actually have something productive to add regarding ACOUSTICS to the conversation.
Yeah, but the fact that others in the field reflect their ignorance and use terms incorrectly negates our obligation to understand and use concepts correctly! Nice argument! Let's see, and employing the same illogic to the fact that some folks eat dirt....
And the comments of a troll who feels that in order to communicate valid concepts that one need live in a facility. Gee, genius, I am qualified to discuss quantum electrodynamics, but the fact that I do not personally live in or possess a supercollider invalidates any concept one might have and validates ludicrous insights such as what you have posited...
This reminds me of an intro course in modern physics where a student who lacked even a firm grasp of classical physics proceeded to challenge the validity of quantum mechanics. But I guess, as the instructor lacked a supercollider, its necessarily invalid. As you see, its sufficient for someone who lacks any appreciable grasp of a subject to question an instructor based on the students oh so advanced grasp of the subject matter. ...And the teacher needs to "prove" it to them. Yeah, right.
Its not local's job to teach or to learn for you. He has been gracious enough to present material. Its YOUR job to expend the effort learn it. And while local is persisting in masochistically trying to present basic material to those who do little more than complain, I no longer care if you learn it or not as its rather apparent that the vast majority here lack the the desire to actually make an effort to learn (as evidenced by the ratio of posts to excuses for not having read such material) and the subsequent basic prerequisite acoustics knowledge to enter into an informed conversation as evidenced by a group not even aware of the fundamental distinction between large or small acoustical spaces!
For the record, I HAVE been in many of the facilities, and I HAVE both participated the many of the seminars and workshops both in and about them and made measurements in some of those facilities, and I do personally possess most of the source documents. And they are the result of folks with eminently more credentials than literally ANY other person who has ever
posted on this forum. But yet we have pissants on this forum who lack an understanding of the most basic
of concepts challenging the validity of measurements and data presented in both Davis' and D'Antonio's texts and publications!
The really amazing thing is that local persists in even trying to communicate concepts to a bunch of folks who claim to care so much
about acoustics, but who have failed to even expend the miniscule amount of effort to read the most basic of resources available on the topic - and now they blame the 'teacher' for not learning the material for them. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...
And considering that 3 of those denigrating local's efforts have literally in excess of 21,000
posts each!!!! 21,000 posts! Heck, if they only took a total of 1 minute each, that's over 350 HOURS or a half month non-stop! And yet they cannot be bothered to read the 75 pages that cover acoustical behavior in the various environments and Still
lack the most basic information to enter into an informed discussion with local on these topics! Perhaps a better allocation of resources would be would be for some (some, heck, ALLOT) of that time spent talking to be spent reading, listening and learning; so that when they DO talk they have something of substance worth reading.
Yup, don't read the readily available resources for yourselves and then based upon understanding contribute constructively - instead play the victim and whine that the teacher did not learn the material for you!
What a genuinely pathetic mentality dominates the 'oh so
interested' group of do nothing victims who can't be bothered to simply read and learn basic prerequisite facts sufficient to even engage in an informed discussion who instead offer nothing but denigration based squarely on their own ignorance as they demand "the answer".