Originally Posted by Chu Gai
One has to focus their resources to attempt to have any sort of an impact otherwise the efforts become diluted to the point of ineffectiveness. So, maybe cable and wires are person A's cause celebre.
Chu, your specialty is marketing psychology. I assume the latter word is in there because you pay attention to human behavior. I sure hope the above is an argument not what you believe. People have picked this area to fight over because a forum exists for them to shout from the mountaintop: AVS with 30M visitors a month. They want to be the alpha wolf of audio, showing to be right and cash in those virtual chips. We all are motivated that way. The only difference is whether we accept this fact or not
Does logic also say that if a researcher is focused on studying with the hopes of successfully treating a particular form of cancer?
The researcher is working in his field of study. With some rare exceptions, most of the people arguing these points are completely out of their field of study, knowledge and profession. The speak with many common mistakes and understandings of the same. So please, if you want to bring analogies, let them be half relevant
I've known *****ty doctors and lawyers. They're like anybody else that has a trade like a roofer or mechanic. There's good ones and bad ones. Bigus I believe has earlier stated his education and experience.
Bigus is a mechanical engineer according to his profile. Having taken mechanical engineering classes while getting my degree, I can tell you no one should let me design a bridge for them
. Likewise, maybe he has taken some electrical engineering classes in school but that in no way makes him qualified to analyze and think through design issues that come from real experience of working on products rather than circuit theory 101. And it certainly does not make him any smarter.
But you know what makes virtually the entire boutique cable and wire thing a sham? It really doesn't exist outside of the whole audio industry.
It does. As I said, people have focused in this area because there is a virtual reward to have this cat fight. I gave example of playing music to cows in Japan. You are telling me there is more validity to that than cables? And how about where the water came from for that bottled water? Folks put what is essentially free in a bottle and sell it for half the price of gasoline (used to be the same price!). It used to be that at least we got some sugar and food coloring for that kind of money in sodas. Now they have eliminated that and we still pay the same amount!
Audio and video equipment isn't the only thing in this world that requires power or the connecting of equipment. Why isn't there market penetration into the scientific field?
I am not in those fields so someone else can answer. I can say that when I wired my garage for woodworking, I had a choice of the cheapest outlet or the commercial quality ones. I played with both. The latter had much more secure connection. Seeing how I am pushing the boundaries of power there with my high-power tools, I paid more to get the better outlet. Both outlets have the exact same power rating. But quality of construction mattered to me beyond the simple specifications. Likewise, most of the premium cables exude quality. That may be motivation alone for some to acquire them especially if there is an issue of long term oxidation due our electronics being connected once and left there.
Why don't I see Shunyata, Cardas, and Nordost cables in labs?
There is one more thing to worry about there: ROI. In a business, you have to have pay off for the investment. If equipment works to the spec required with the cheapest cable, then that is what is going to be sold. We see this in pro gear all the time. B2B business has its own severe constraints.
Audiophiles are not motivated by ROI for the most part. We all make silly purchases here even if we are "objectivists." After all, if it is about the best ROI, then a portable music player with MP3 would let us enjoy the music and we would not need anything else. Ditto for a 32 inch LCD.
Whatever monies we may have, they're nothing like the pocketbooks the scientific community can bring to bear.
As a manager of R&D projects, I always weighed the cost of equipment relative to hiring more people. I always asked if that $50K would be as useful as half an engineer. I would not spend the money just because we had it. No doubt that there are poorly managed organizations that spend money as you say. In that case, they probably have bottled water too in their kitchen
Why aren't the instruments that Atkinson and even you use rewired with audiophile names? Shouldn't the astronomers studying cosmological things be taking advantage of the greater sensitivity and resolution that high end cabling provides? Why are the cable mongers confining themselves to such a narrow niche of potential customers when they should be looking to expand their presence? National Starch certainly didn't confine themselves to making starch solely for the purpose of serving the food industry. The very fact that the cable mongers can't expand past the little segment they purport to serve suggests that they've found the highest concentration of gullibility willing to open their pocketbooks.
Look, you keep asking me to tell you why you should buy such a cable when I am not here to advocate one. I am just telling you that you are not motivated by the farces you speak about. You are motivated by a childish emotion of being right in front of a crowd. I have provided ample proof of that. You can keep denying it but it is the only thing that is logical. What else would explain a group of people pretended to be experts at all things electronic when they lack the degree, and work experience to even remotely be qualified to make these claims? How many audio instruments have you designed to know that they don't test multiple cables to find the one that works best? You say that factually as if you know it. You also ignore again the ROI argument I just mentioned. If you were a real customer or the designers of these products, you would know these factors but you are not.
Let there be no misunderstanding. There is a lot people can learn by reading the forums. It is great that you all spend so much time here doing that. My issue is that you then consider that knowledge to be so authoritative as to an expert in the field and proceed to prove to people why your point of view is right. Help me understand that Chu. You gave me examples of the medical field. Are there many examples of people reading about medicine in forums, then proceeding to take on researchers in the field and folks like you cheering them on?