Originally Posted by Ethan Winer
Sure, a few very well heeled or more savvy audiophiles do have acoustic treatment. But by and large most do not, even the ones who have spent thousands of dollars on useless trinkets like the ART bowls and Shunyata products etc.
That is an assertion, not data
. So I thought we get some. On Whatsbestforum's member gallery area, we have 42 picture/system threads. I just went through them and counted which had purpose added acoustic treatments, and which not. Note that if they used nature elements like curtains and such, I counted them as NOT having acoustic treatment. Here are the numbers:
Acoustic Treatment: 25
No treatment: 15
Not a room thread: 2
So throwing out the 2 that didn't relate, we have total of 40 examples. Out of those, 63% have room treatment, 37% do not. The above is a bit unfair because there were frugal DIYs showing their labs and such which naturally didn't have anything but electronics but even with that, it shows that nearly twice as many of the type of audiophiles you don't like, have treatment.
Now, would you be so kind and tell me what percentage of so called "objectivists" have such treatment?
Yes, unlike basic audio engineering, acoustics is as much an art as a science.
If it is that subjective, don't you think that is the reason so many people avoid it? And is there really multiple versions of "audio truth" that you can interject your creative part in there to answer it? How is that different than someone liking an LP vs CD sound?
I think you are using this as a crutch. Acoustics is about physics. Physics is not art. What becomes "art" is that people start to guess as to what the physics are, as analyzing the problem itself gets hard without tools and training (and even with them).
Not that there's universal agreement on all non-acoustics aspects of audio. Some say cables matter, others say don't waste your money. Some say Class A amps sound best, and others say Class AB and Class D can sound just as good and show measurements to prove it.
But in an area where we can clearly measure and see differences, you say getting it right is an "art." How am I supposed to know you are the best artist? If I asked Floyd whether a typical living room with furniture, bookcase, carpet on the floor and such must have room treatment, he will say NO if you use the right speaker. Yet you would say that is wrong as indicated by the opening line in this post. Art is supposed to explain this or is one of you wrong?