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post #31 of 48 Old 03-26-2012, 09:55 AM
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Option 2, but not the Pioneer.

Audyssey MultiEQ and better Audyssey room correction versions (not the 2EQ version) EQs both the speakers and the sub. I'm fairly certain the Pioneer receiver MCACC room correction software only EQs the speakers. For this reason, I would look at a Denon, Onkyo, or Marantz. Subs often need EQ help in any given room. MultiEQ will definitely improve the sound of your speakers, too.

Of those, I'm partial to Denon. See this thread written by batpig to learn about the different Denon models.

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Alright guys, I'm ready to get this done this morning. I did some research on my receiver and it has 5x75 discrete amps so I'm not to worried about power, my worry is calibration, eq, etc. I have baptiq's guide to setting up my receiver manually so I'll get that as close as possible. I posted my room dimensions above, I have a lot of doubts concerning the polk 50's, but if you think there fine please mention it. So vote and let me know what you guys think.

Option 1- Budget friendly

Keep Denon AVR-391, no audyssey, eq, calibration.
Replace center with Polk CS2 to match existing polk monitor50's
Add PL-200 Sub.

Option 2

Same as Option 1 but getting the Denon out of there and putting in a Pioneer 1121.

Option 3

Pioneer 1121
PL-28 Center
PL-89 Towers
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Hi...... I recently bought the PL-89s, PL-28, and PL-66s for a 7.0 setup all the speakers are beautiful and sound great especially for movies. I highly recommend them, but I also highly recommend rethinking that sub tho. I have 2 Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Pluses in a room 23' X 11' X 7.5' and it sounds great and personally at a very minimum I would recommend you get 2 of the same subs I have or even 2 subs better than what I have.

In your size room the 89s and 28 will way overpower the PL200.

I also agree try getting a receiver with Audyssey Mult EQ or even Mult EQ XT.

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Kind of on a budget, I've done a lot of research and for less than 300 show me a better sub.
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Agreed. It would be best to wait on the sub until you can afford a 12" ID sub, even if it is 6 months down the road. That's better than buying another sub which is not enough for your room. I've been there and done that. Learned the hard way.

Also, for best price on Denon receivers, call Electronics Expo or the AVS store here on AVS. They often can do deals over the phone.

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Thought this might help, do you still think the sub is too small?


What's the game room like? Would it be a better place for a HT?
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So no one has issues with the monitor50's paired with the CS2? That's a relief if true!

Any objections to a Denon 1712? It has Audyssey EQ XT. On Amazon for $399.
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So no one has issues with the monitor50's paired with the CS2? That's a relief if true!

We can't know for sure that you would find the BICs to be an improvement over the Polks. You could love them or hate them because speaker choice is subjective.

But we can tell you that a matching center improves the front sound stage, that a better sub can improve the bass, and that a receiver with Audyssey MultiEQ will improve the sound of your speaker set.

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Any objections to a Denon 1712? It has Audyssey EQ XT. On Amazon for $399.

Good receiver, but call Electronics Expo. They are known for coming down in price a little from what they have advertised on their website, which is currently the same price for the 1712 as Amazon. You might get lucky and save a few bucks.

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Option 2 will have better return for the $. You can later add another sub
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My understanding is that Pioneer's room equalization software (MCACC) does not eq the subwoofer, unlike Audyssey (in Onkyo, Integra, Denon and Marantz), which does. You can get out-board sub equalizers, though.

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Purchased the Denon 1712, Polk CS2, and will pick up my PL-200 tomorrow morning.

Pretty excited, hopefully this will be a big improvement over what i got now. Wish I would have known the center channel was the most important speaker before so I wouldn't have been so cheap.

Thanks everyone for your expert advice, unfortunately I didn't have the budget to go with all of your recommendations
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Purchased the Denon 1712, Polk CS2, and will pick up my PL-200 tomorrow morning.

Pretty excited, hopefully this will be a big improvement over what i got now. Wish I would have known the center channel was the most important speaker before so I wouldn't have been so cheap.

Thanks everyone for your expert advice, unfortunately I didn't have the budget to go with all of your recommendations

congrats--where did you get the Denon from?

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Congrats! Let us know how the improvements sound.

One thing that will help. Read batpig's Denon and Audyssey guides. Invaluable for getting the most out of Audyssey if it is your first time using it.

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congrats--where did you get the Denon from?

Got it from Amazon, I'm a prime member so got it shipped overnight for $402.

Polk CS2 from Newegg $119 - Free 3 day shipping (Was $20 more on Amazon)

And the BIC warehouse is here in Vegas so get to pick up my PL-200 tomorrow morning and got a great cash deal!!!!
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Your next mission will be setting up the speakers properly. MultEQ (does the 1712 have XT?) does a great job but it is neither perfect nor magical. A lot of people have issues with it EQ'ing their speakers in a way they like. Make sure to follow the speaker setup guides on sites like Auddyssey and THX and use these guidelines to start.

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Your next mission will be setting up the speakers properly. MultEQ (does the 1712 have XT?) does a great job but it is neither perfect nor magical. A lot of people have issues with it EQ'ing their speakers in a way they like. Make sure to follow the speaker setup guides on sites like Auddyssey and THX and use these guidelines to start.

It has the XT, that's pretty much why I bought. I think it might be the cheapest way you can go for this feature.
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Got it from Amazon, I'm a prime member so got it shipped overnight for $402.

FYI-Electronics Expo (authorized dealer) can do the 1712 for $310 shipped.

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FYI-Electronics Expo (authorized dealer) can do the 1712 for $310 shipped.

Damn, too late. Denon is already on my door step.

Initial reaction of PL-200 (No Calibration yet) is its like everyone says good for movies but leaves a little room for improvement with music.
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Initial reaction of PL-200 (No Calibration yet) is its like everyone says good for movies but leaves a little room for improvement with music.

In setting it up, try running your mains as small at 60hz, instead of the 80hz people often like to run. Passing off some of the mid-bass to your front mains may help with that.

Also, if Audyssey ends up with a subwoofer channel (trim) level that is a high negative number, turn your gain (volume) down on the sub and run it again. A lot of people recommend having the gain set such that Audyssey ends up with a channel level in the -3db to 0db range. This seems to best optimize the gain setting for the receiver output.

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