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post #1 of 13 Old 07-11-2012, 06:54 PM - Thread Starter
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Hi everyone,


The problem is the following, I have my bluray surround set ( philips hts7520) but i do not have enough possibilities to control the volume level. So i am concidering buying another bluray player playing the discs on that and having the sound come out of the speakers of my bluray surround set.

I was wondering if there would be any audio quality loss with a following setup :

[ current Philips Hts7520 surround direct sound ( dts-hd, true hd and good quality audio) ]

My idea

[ Bluray player ( dts hd, true hd capable and such good quality ) sending it to my tv via HDMI, tv sends it to my Bluray surround set via Optical out. ]

Would there be a loss in quality here ?

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There would be a loss in your audio quality. High definition codecs
Like true HD etc must be transmitted via HDMI. By sending the audio signal
From the tv into your system it will downgrade the format. Depending on your tv
In may actually only output 2channel sound!
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Thank you very much for your reply, this gives me the info i wanted =) thanks again. ( tv = samsung c6000 )

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Hi everyone,
The problem is the following, I have my bluray surround set ( philips hts7520) but i do not have enough possibilities to control the volume level. So i am concidering buying another bluray player playing the discs on that and having the sound come out of the speakers of my bluray surround set.
I was wondering if there would be any audio quality loss with a following setup :
[ current Philips Hts7520 surround direct sound ( dts-hd, true hd and good quality audio) ]
My idea
[ Bluray player ( dts hd, true hd capable and such good quality ) sending it to my tv via HDMI, tv sends it to my Bluray surround set via Optical out. ]
Would there be a loss in quality here ?

Knowing the make and model of the receiver and TV involved would help.

As others have pointed out, there are many ways to hook up the same equipment, and the results will vary depending.
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Knowing the make and model of the receiver and TV involved would help.
As others have pointed out, there are many ways to hook up the same equipment, and the results will vary depending.

Tv : Samsung 46c6000,
Current surround set (out of the box) : Philips HTS7520
2nd bluray player im thinking of buying ( not so sure now lol ) : Samsung BD-E5500

Is this enough info :O =)

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Right this will be fun explaining =P.

I was thinking maybe to get a receiver because it also controls volume, but i dont know if i can plug in my bluray surround set via
hdmi and still output the bluray sound via my speakers but also adjust the volume on the receiver.

Ando also my bluray surround set is a 5.1, 500 euro (650 dollar). so it it worth the cost of the receiver 300 euro's ( 400 dollars ) for full truehd audio.
Or just stick with another bluray player in between and use optical audio.

Thanks for reading hope some1 can decode my terrible explanation above.

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Tv : Samsung 46c6000,
Current surround set (out of the box) : Philips HTS7520
2nd bluray player im thinking of buying ( not so sure now lol ) : Samsung BD-E5500
Is this enough info :O =)

Since the HTS7520 is basically a receiver with a Blu-ray player inside of it, I'm wondering why you are talking about gettting a second blu ray player and/or a second receiver.

Is the blu ray player in the HTS7520 broken? That's the only reason I can think of for having this conversation at all...

If you hook a second blu ray player to the HTS7520 via HDMI it would do just about everything that the built-in one does, which is about as good as it gets. Yes, you would be able control the volume from the second Blu Ray player with the HTS7520.
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What you are saying is very true,

The problem is that there is to much of a difference in volume in 3 and 4. Wich i am trying to compensate by getting another bluray player wich can add to the volume.

Main bluray at volume 3 , second one 50% for example.

Think im going for the second bluray player, thanks for all your response !

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"Too much of a difference in volume in 3 and 4" could mean too wide dynamic range for you or a defective volume control. I dunno. If the former, there's a night mode on the Philips.

BDPs (and players in general) have same or very similar SPDIF outputs (volume) unless there is a digital volume control. So whatever isn't right with the Philip's volume control between 3 and 4 should also affect any external input, unless there's something wrong with the internal circuitry that is specific to the internal BDP and amp.

Getting another BDP won't guarantee to fix it. If it doesn't solve the volume issue you still have the problem. If it does solve the problem then your Philips is faulty and should be returned or repaired.
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This is some good info , thank you:D

You know what the worst thing is. this is my second one in three years, the last one broke aswell. (hts7500)

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What you are saying is very true,
The problem is that there is to much of a difference in volume in 3 and 4. Wich i am trying to compensate by getting another bluray player wich can add to the volume.

Are you saying that the sound level is increasing too rapidly when you are operating the receiver's volume control between 3 and 4 as marked or displayed on the front panel?

If that is what you are talking about, then there is a pretty good chance that you will have the identical same problem with the next digital player that you hook up to this system.

The HTS 7520 has a rather serious shortcoming for your situation - as I read the user manual it lacks any analog inputs that are capable of handling more channels than simple stereo. It has only stereo analog inputs.

If you use any of its digital audio inputs (coax, optical, HDMI) the loudness from a given recording will very likely be identically the same as you obtain with the built-in player, which you don't like.

To actually make a difference, you would need a music player with its own volume control (rare), or you would need to interpose some device with a volume control between the player and the HTS 7520 (potentially very complex).

I'm surprised to hear that the HTS 7520 has a volume control that seems to lack a suitable fine volume adjustment. I'd guess that this is accomplished digitally, which means that it either does what it does, or it fails to work at all.

Well, it looks like it is a ca. $300 HTIB (Home Theatre In a Box). Perhaps you need to move up market to a separate blu ray player and separate AV receiver. Even the entry level AVRs I have worked with seem to have volume controls with good fine adjustment. But, they cost almost as much as this whole system.
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This is some good info , thank you:D
You know what the worst thing is. this is my second one in three years, the last one broke aswell. (hts7500)

Was that HTS 7500 an Onkyo product?
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Was that HTS 7500 an Onkyo product?

I only know its philips im afraid. only have very basic knowledge. Might just buy a new home theater system but not philips. do you recommend a certain brand ? ac receiver plus the surround speakers are indeed probably the best but a bit to exensive for me.

"If that is what you are talking about, then there is a pretty good chance that you will have the identical same problem with the next digital player that you hook up to this system." Yeah i have stepped away form this idea =).

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