Interesting discussion, Ethan, good points.
Originally Posted by mcnarus
How would you feel about a pitch that went, "We can't give you a scientific explanation for why our cables would sound better, but lots of our customers think they do"? It's an absolutely true statement, and makes no phony claims.
Somewhat OT, but a brief anecdote;
While attending a demo of Harman's ARCOs DSP, one on one demo, just for me, the rep somewhat perplexed at one of my very valid questions, .... answered "trust me". I, one of the most mellow individuals you may encounter, was steaming under the collar. There was no one else but me, and he either couldn't, or didn't want to answer my question. But the "trust me" really bothered me. I tuned out and couldn't get past it, followed up with some subsequent questions and he again avoided them very tactfully. I, acted as if I had an appointment elsewhere, up and left.
Harman is an industry giant when it comes to R&D, maybe this guy was filling in or something, ..I don't know, still makes me wonder.
This demo, a multi mic, multi position measurment and dsp and software demo, seems fantastic. What Harman is into is typically solid. I mean this is great, empirical measurement stuff. Also, by overhearing much of the comments etc, so many attendees at Cedia don't have a clue about actual measurements, etc., sad really.
Before I left he insisted that I get a ticket to the demo he voiced and tuned across the street at the Westin. He recommended which seat to get and everything. At my appointed time I went. I left quite disappointed not knowing if the lifeless presentation, yet somewhat harsh mid-band, lame bottom end, was an effect of my experience during the verbal demo of the technology involved or what. The bottom end was most disappointing with no real extension, poor delineation, and an apparent excess of energy in the 60-80 range. This was Mark Levinson amps all around, with their double 10 three way, high-end/berilium based, compression driver mains. I was front/center, I've got photos if anyone's interested. Luckily, I experienced some of the finest audio I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing anywhere, while at Cedia. This did give some solid context for sure, but I didn't listen to the superb demos 'til after the Harman/JBL demo.
The system was way off. Maybe they didn't have enough time, and perhaps they slowly tweaked the response over time,...this was day one of the show.
I'm a fan of Harman in general. The research they performed is fantastic. In no way am I correlating Harman/JBL into the shady practices of some high end peddlers being discussed here. I've used both JBL's pro offerings, as well as their residential loudspeakers. I'm a fan, this sucked. Kevin Voecks was in the room too, surely he heard it. Peraps he was hung up on the mis-applied aspect ration problem with the opening track of the demo
Yep, stretched waaayy too wide. I digress...
Ok, back to the topic at hand, this is an interesting thread, I thought I'd throw that brief anecdote out there, ... carry on.