Originally Posted by Perry R
Its been an interesting discussion.....both sides have their hackles up, makes for good debate.
As someone who has been trying to educate himself on this subject by reading prob a thousand posts
over the last year, and trying to find the truth, this is what I've taken from this and other threads on the subject.
I agree that the AES group prob didnt know enough about the psych aspect....that makes sense, why should they?
Like someone said earlier....plumbers talking about electrical. I've read enough posts to know that bias comes to play as well.
Thats the reason most of the "all sound the same group" wouldnt make good ABX participants....right?
They would have a bias to not hear a slight difference, even if they were told the amps were the same but in realty
they had very slight audible differences, they would have a bias to not hear a difference....they believe so the brain
wouldnt let them hear the difference...it works both ways I assume. BUT they were not the subjects in these 100 or more
verified tests, so I'll have to agree that the participants heard no difference because there was none....makes sense....done deal.
What i have a problem understanding is the "why" is that the perfect amp.... at least for me....the one with flat response.
Ok, so heres the thing, I spend many thousands of dollars on high end SS gear, it sounds great. I also spend many thousands of dollars
on good speakers.....its really nice. Then I come here do a bunch of reading and am told that yep my amp is good, but I've overpaid.
What?...ok be open minded, lets check.....I get my bells and whistles $1000 avr out and do some serious listening...over a period
of time I see.....there really is no difference, I try to hear one, nope its just not there. Theyre correct, I've overpaid, on the bright
side I've been educated, and I sell my high price gear, take a small loss....now I'm in the know.
Then a while back I decide to buy a small 15w tube amp, very inexpensive....if I remember under $600. I hook it up to my
speakers and audition it out. Its sounds very nice....wtf? So off I go and do more reading, its a crappy amp.....I've been told
it wont measure correct....its low fi.....but....I really like it. Is it bias?.....cant be that, my bells and whistle avr....the expensive one...
cost me much more, if anything I should have a bias towards that. Ok so It must be that I prefer the harmonic distortion...
Puts me in a bad position.....I dont like it cause its more pricey, its much cheaper, its kinda plain looking compared to my big dollar gear I had
before....that was impressive looking. I've compared it many times to the avr, even had the avr at higher levels....nope I dont like that sound.
I prefer the less accurate amp....so now I'm not a hi-fi enthusiast....according to some I'm a no-fi guy......ok, guess thats me.
Wait.....why cant I prefer, and many others that have compared the two systems, be just as correct in my "tastes" with this system?
Why am I labeled for my preferences? I've experienced the no difference test, know its true, why cant I enjoy the sound I...and many others...like?
Why does it have to measure flat to be correct, or maybe it should be asked why does it have to measure flat for me to enjoy it
when I simply dont. Why are you correct and I'm wrong? Why am I correct and you wrong?
This thread has opened my eyes....you guys almost had me there, I still believe in the ABX testing, I'm just not sure what it proves.
I guess It proves all amps that are built to the correct specs sound the same......maybe a lot of people just dont enjoy that sound.
If you do thats great, doesnt mean a thing except you enjoty it, and others enjoy some thing else...why is one right and the other wrong??
This debate reminds me of that star trek episode where 2 aliens were fighting because each had a black and white half to their face.
They fought because the black was on different sides.....