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I am very new to audio systems. So I really need your expert advise to set up my family room. I need help with Speakers, sub woofers, Receivers...as I don't know nothing about what to purchase. After reading many threads here, I only figured out that BOSE is not the way to go.

Can you guys please Advise on following questions? I am flexible with budget. I just need best quality sound and small speakers. My TV will be above fireplace.


1) Should I place In Wall speakers or Wall Mount? If ts wall Mount, I prefer small speakers.
2) Should I go with 5.1 or 7.1?
3) What company or model of speakers ?
4) What model for SB
5) what Model for Receivers?
6) Any other tips or suggestion to take care?

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I would suggest that you start with the purchase of a Cambridge Audio 551R receiver.

As far as I am concerned, it is the best-sounding one on the market, bar none! The reviewers at Home Theater magazine also thought so, as you will discover if you read the 8-16-2012 review at their website. Most receivers costing twice as much do not sound as good.

As for speakers, I urge you to not consider in-wall speakers; the few that sound halfway decent are hideously expensive and still not that good.

Your money is much better and more sensibly spent on speakers that have a well-designed enclosure of their own.

For wall-mounting, i suggest you mount small shelves on the wall to set the speakers on; these can be slightly smaller than the bottom of the speaker and will be nearly invisible; support brackets should come up behind the speakers for mounting (not below the shelf) so that the hardware hides behind the speaker.

Be sure that you are getting front-ported speakers or sealed-enclosure speakers; rear-ported speakers will not sound good that close to the wall.

I suggest the NHT Classic 3 speakers for the front and Classic 2 for the rear, and the NHT Classic Two Center for a center speaker. These are all sealed acoustic-suspension speakers.

NHT also makes a wall-mount bracket kit for the 2 and 3 , if it is your preference. The speakers have an integral threaded fitting on the rear that the bracket screws into. I would personally prefer the appearance of shelves, but you have both options.

For a subwoofer, I recommend the NHT B12D, which I use and is excellent.

The complete system will run about $3000, and will give you excellent sound. You could easily spend twice as much and not equal it.

The long wall to the right of the fireplace seems to be the logical location for your equipment and front speakers.

Putting a TV above a fireplace is a very bad idea, unless the fireplace is NEVER going to be used, and I stress NEVER!!! It is also usually too high for comfortable viewing.

For one thing, soot and smoke WILL damage the set and screen, and void the warranty (the soot will be obvious inside the set when it is opened for repair).. For another thing, heat will damage the TV. The only way to avoid this is to have a well-sealed glass front cover the front of the fireplace.
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I am very new to audio systems. So I really need your expert advise to set up my family room. I need help with Speakers, sub woofers, Receivers...as I don't know nothing about what to purchase. After reading many threads here, I only figured out that BOSE is not the way to go.
Can you guys please Advise on following questions? I am flexible with budget. I just need best quality sound and small speakers. My TV will be above fireplace.
1) Should I place In Wall speakers or Wall Mount? If ts wall Mount, I prefer small speakers.
2) Should I go with 5.1 or 7.1?
3) What company or model of speakers ?
4) What model for SB
5) what Model for Receivers?
6) Any other tips or suggestion to take care?

1. I wouldn't go with in walls unless you absolutely have to. Theres some nice small speakers that would be good as wall mount.

2. Focus on a good solid 5.1 first and then add the other two later on. You can go 7.1 first but only if it doesn't sacifice good fronts, center and subwoofer.

3. Too subjective. It depends on if you can go with bookshelfs or you have to stick with in walls. The usual brands that get recommended on AVS and most other places is (Aperion Audio, Arx, HSU, Ascend Acoustics, Paradigm, HTD, PSB)

4. I assume SB is for subwoofer? SVS, HSU, Power Sound Audio, Rythmik, Funk Audio are the ones that most will agree is the best performing bang for the buck out there. Each has a wide variety of choices from size, ported, sealed, passive radiator. Seaton Sound would be another but those are the $2k plus but highly regarded.

5. Onkyo, Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, NAD, Anthem. Look at what your budget is and then shop for a receiver with the options that you want. They all make great receivers that measure well, provide a ton of options, and receivers DON'T have a sound quality too them. Blind tests have shown this before.

6.Let us know a budget and what your size requirements are if you go with onwall/mounted speakers.
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Darn; I forgot that GTP thinks all receivers sound the same.

I guess you should go with his opinion and and ignore the experts at Home Theater magazine, who unequivocally state that Cambridge receivers are the best-sounding on the market.

They have spent many years listening critically to receivers, and do it for a living, but he obviously is the real expert; or so he says.

But maybe you should read the review on the 551R just for the heck of it, just in case he is dead wrong.
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I guess you should go with his opinion and and ignore the experts at Home Theater magazine, who unequivocally state that Cambridge receivers are the best-sounding on the market.
Correct!

Congratulations, you've achieved the accuracy level of a stopped clock!

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http://www.head-fi.org/t/486598/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths
http://www.hometheaterfocus.com/receivers/amplifier-sound-quality.aspx

Its a good read. Theres many more tests out there and isn't the final say. But to say that Hometheater Magazine is the absolute last word is foolish. Commsysman seems to think OPINIONS equals FACTS. Its just an opinion.
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1) Should I place In Wall speakers or Wall Mount? If ts wall Mount, I prefer small speakers.
2) Should I go with 5.1 or 7.1?
3) What company or model of speakers ?
4) What model for SB
5) what Model for Receivers?
6) Any other tips or suggestion to take care?
Your questions are too general to respond to in any detail, but here's some basic advice to start you out:

First, decide on a rough budget. You might break it later, but at least you'll have a starting point.

Expect to devote most of your budget to speakers. They make the real difference in sound quality. A good receiver with decent room correction can be had for well under $500. Within the speaker budget, it's better to cheap out on the surrounds than on the subwoofer. I'd start with 5.1, and move up later. (But if you're thinking about this, get a 7.1 AVR; they aren't that much more expensive.)

I like speakers on stands rather than wallmounts (in or on).

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Thank you all
I will start with 5.1
Rough budget is around 2k
Agree and will focus more OK speaker however i want small size speakers but good quality. Any sugetion for that?
What SUB and receiver are good with that. Please give me some models to look for
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Thank you all
I will start with 5.1
Rough budget is around 2k
Agree and will focus more OK speaker however i want small size speakers but good quality. Any sugetion for that?
What SUB and receiver are good with that. Please give me some models to look for

I can't vouch for them, as I haven't heard them, but RSL Speakers makes a 5.1 system that might be exactly what you need. The reviews on this system, both commercial and consumer, have been through the roof. Also, they are very manageable. Howard even has the omnimounts on his website for purchase at rslspeakers.com.

As for receivers, everyone has an opinion. I currently own a Marantz 6007 and love it. User interface is great. I can tell you that you won't ever read a bad review on one. From what I've gathered through the years, audiophiles love them.

Hope that helps. Good luck!
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Thank you all
I will start with 5.1
Rough budget is around 2k
Agree and will focus more OK speaker however i want small size speakers but good quality. Any sugetion for that?
What SUB and receiver are good with that. Please give me some models to look for

When you say you want small speakers, it would help to give us an idea on what size your after. Bose cube small? Or 5.25" bookshelf small?
Heres a few options that aren't very large and would be considered compact bookshelf speakers.

http://www.aperionaudio.com/speakers/verus-family/verus-forte-satellite-speaker
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/htm200/htm200.html
http://www.htd.com/Products/bookshelf-speakers/Level-TWO-Bookshelf-Speakers

For subwoofers I would look at:
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/ported-box/pb-1000
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb-1000
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb12-nsd
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1mk2.html
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2mk4.html

For receivers look around for a receiver that has all the options you consider valuable and one that is 7.1 or more for future proofing. Find one that has at least Audyssey Multi EQ XT, plenty of HDMI inputs/outputs, and is within a price range to still afford good speakers. Onkyo, Denon, Marantz all have great bang for the buck receivers with tons of options and won't eat up your entire budget.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR3312CI/DENON-AVR-3312CI-7.2-Integrated-Network-A/V-Surround-Receiver-w/AirPlay/1.html#!specifications
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXNR709/Onkyo-TX-NR709-7.2-Channel-3-D-Ready-Network-A/V-Receiver/1.html

You can save quite a bit of money by going with a factory refurb receiver. Full warranty and is authorized from the company at deep discount. Gets you a higher end receiver for the price of a lower end model.
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When you say you want small speakers, it would help to give us an idea on what size your after. Bose cube small? Or 5.25" bookshelf small?
Heres a few options that aren't very large and would be considered compact bookshelf speakers.
http://www.aperionaudio.com/speakers/verus-family/verus-forte-satellite-speaker
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/htm200/htm200.html
http://www.htd.com/Products/bookshelf-speakers/Level-TWO-Bookshelf-Speakers
For subwoofers I would look at:
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/ported-box/pb-1000
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb-1000
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb12-nsd
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1mk2.html
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2mk4.html
For receivers look around for a receiver that has all the options you consider valuable and one that is 7.1 or more for future proofing. Find one that has at least Audyssey Multi EQ XT, plenty of HDMI inputs/outputs, and is within a price range to still afford good speakers. Onkyo, Denon, Marantz all have great bang for the buck receivers with tons of options and won't eat up your entire budget.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR3312CI/DENON-AVR-3312CI-7.2-Integrated-Network-A/V-Surround-Receiver-w/AirPlay/1.html#!specifications
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXNR709/Onkyo-TX-NR709-7.2-Channel-3-D-Ready-Network-A/V-Receiver/1.html
You can save quite a bit of money by going with a factory refurb receiver. Full warranty and is authorized from the company at deep discount. Gets you a higher end receiver for the price of a lower end model.

Yes I am thinking of Max 6" and that's why I was checking energy classic but not sure if they sound good for my family room or its good only for small rooms
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Yes I am thinking of Max 6" and that's why I was checking energy classic but not sure if they sound good for my family room or its good only for small rooms

A good general guideline is small speakers for small room.

Tiny speakers will sound tiny in a large family room. Better than TV speakers and maybe some soundbars but not by much. If the Ascend's aren't too big I would go with them. They can be mounted right on the wall and they still have a decent freq response.
Dimensions H x W x D** 11" x 6.5" x 6.375"
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/htm200/htm200.html

If its the same Energy I'm thinking of they are about the size of computer speakers, very tiny with no bass or fullness to them.
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How an Cambridge minx or millenia one? Do they also sound tiny?
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How an Cambridge minx or millenia one? Do they also sound tiny?

How big is your room?

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How big is your room?

He has a diagram posted in his first post.

It looks like and open floor plan with the living room being 19' x 15.5'.

IMO while WAF and the look of the room is important, I can't see cubes being worthwhile in such a large room. But thats just my opinion OP might be totally happy with it.

I got to thinking that you just might be better off with larger LCR type In Walls vs tiny cubes mounted on the walls.
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OK in that case which ones r better for in walls. But I know u won't like in walls vs mounted
And how does it compare to pro cinema 1000 war on wall?
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