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I have Infinity Intermmezzo 2.6.
They have a built-in a/b amp below @2800.
The manual recomends an amp 15 to 150---why ?????
Can I use rg6 coax or do you think it is designed to need more current?
Thanks for any help
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Does the internal amp power the tweeter as well?
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The internal amp does not power the tweeter.
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Can I use rg6 coax or do you think it is designed to need more current?
Why wouldn't you just use speaker cable. They don't have line level inputs.
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May I add some more info.
Infinity has a matching powered sub and the preferred wiring is running speaker wire ( no size suggestion) to the sub and then speaker wire from the sub to the small two ways.
I can just barely hear 18,000hz and the speakers are 8 ohms average --- I am not sure what ohm average that makes the tweeter.
I have the Oppo 95 and a Music Fidelity A25 and I need to extend my speaker wires from @ 6ft to @ 10ft.
Thanks for the interest.
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Yes, I could use speaker wire but I thought if maybe I didn't need the current
that it would improve the sound to use a single smaller gauge OF copper wire with the benefit of a shield.
What do you think?
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Why do you think smaller wire will 'sound better'?
The shield is not going to do anything in such a low impedance sircuit.
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The manual recomends an amp 15 to 150---why ?????

Because the internal power amp doesn't drive the tweeter.
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Thicker wires are better when connecting speakers: there's less attenuation to the signal by the wiring. For your short runs, 16 gauge would be more than adequate, 22 gauge "zip cord" (as used for lamps) might be good enough. Don't waste your money on "boutique" cables.

The wattage range recommendation is only a suggestion. Usually, however, you shouldn't drive speakers continuously at the higher level since they could be damaged by overheating and would be deafening. Listening to music at normal sound levels usually sends very little power to the speakers.

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What I have heard about speaker wire is that heavy gauge wire carries current better but small, solid, pure copper ( or silver) does a better job with other aspects. And since I am only driving a tweeter that doesn't need much current
I thought I'd ask about it.
My question on the power of the amp was why it was so high ---150 is an awful lot for a tweeter. Why would they want so much for a 250 watt powered bass/mid and a passive tweeter.
On the shield issue----I thought it might protect the signal from some AC hum if the wires come near and maybe some FM noise?

I have some pretty good quality cables now and can hear a differance between them and lamp cord, but I need longer cables and want to do as good of a job
as I can afford.
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http://www.roger-russell.com/wire.htm#wiretable

No AC hum or FM interference with "speaker level" wire/interconnects.
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Thanks Ratman, but I have already drank the kool-aid on the differences with cables. Thanks for the link--Those are (were) great men.
Do you know of any links about the FM and AC hum----most boutique cables braid the wire to prevent some of the problem.
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in all likelihood, you will get the answers you "want" (vs. answers grounded in science and reality) at other forums...

here is one for you that will give you the answers you "want"...

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Solid wires, not multistranded. The thicker the more problem you'll have with them. Mostly feelgood-effect in going thicker than "telephone wire".

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What I have heard about speaker wire is that heavy gauge wire carries current better but small, solid, pure copper ( or silver) does a better job with other aspects.

You heard a non scientific myth, it's not true.
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I thought it might protect the signal from some AC hum if the wires come near and maybe some FM noise?]

In a low impedance circuit? how is that possible? How can a wire demodulate FM?
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Do you know of any links about the FM and AC hum----most boutique cables braid the wire to prevent some of the problem.

Another myth.
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No AC hum or FM interference with "speaker level" wire/interconnects.

It has nothing to do with signal level and everything to do with impedance.
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Thank you ccotenj for the link.
I can only afford a little myth, so I appreciate you guys.

Nightload how small can I go, if I have up to 50 watt peaks going 15ft to a normal tweeter?

Sam64 if I wanted to take some traffic out of the core of rg6 coax, is there anything I could do with the foil or braided cover?
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Nightload how small can I go, if I have up to 50 watt peaks going 15ft to a normal tweeter?

Gauge 18 should be just fine, methinks.

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Sam64 if I wanted to take some traffic out of the core of rg6 coax, is there anything I could do with the foil or braided cover?

That's the return for the circuit, you can't do anything with it except use it as it's intended.
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Thanks Nightlord----RG6 is 18.
SAM64---- I was going to use two runs of coax and just use the two 18 awgs cores as the speaker wire and am asking if there is something I can do with the braid and foil to reduce spurious and unknown traffic in the core (I don't know the proper term for all the antenna possibilities) Thanks
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my local home depot is practically giving away their remaining spools of 14/2 cl3 (half price!)... go look and see what yours has... buy the biggest spool they have, and you'll be set for a very long time...

i bought a 500 foot spool for 79 bucks, and have almost completed turning it in to a "poor man's" 250 feet of 11/2 for some long runs... smile.gif less than 32 cents a foot (and a couple hours of work) for 11/2 ain't bad at all... smile.gif

why are you trying so hard to use coax for this?

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I was going to use two runs of coax and just use the two 18 awgs cores as the speaker wire and am asking if there is something I can do with the braid and foil to reduce spurious and unknown traffic in the core

Why?
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I have a pretty good hi-fi that I have improved on over the years and have heard the improvement that wires can make.
I was hoping to find out from those who know more about the subject than I, what some of the factors are that I might be able to afford.
I was looking for fellow travelers who are smarter than me.
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I have a pretty good hi-fi that I have improved on over the years and have heard the improvement that wires can make.
I was hoping to find out from those who know more about the subject than I, what some of the factors are that I might be able to afford.
I was looking for fellow travelers who are smarter than me.
No, your fellow travelers are not smarter than you. wink.gif

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and have heard the improvement that wires can make.

OK, why are you hell bent on using coax, in a low impedance speaker circuit?
Wht and why do you think this will be an improvement over twisted pair?
many here, who clearly know more about this then you do, have already answered your questions. I suspect you don' t like their answers though.
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Readily available coax is almost the worst possible cable you can use for connecting an amp to a speaker. It's resistance is too high because its center conductor is too thin. That will cause distortions to the audio. You could connect a half-dozen or more of them together in parallel to get the resistance down low enough, I suppose. But why bother? Just get some 12 or 14 gauge speaker cables.

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Nightload how small can I go, if I have up to 50 watt peaks going 15ft to a normal tweeter?
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Are you sure you are putting in that much power in the tweeter? Many have failed under orders less.wink.gif

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I have a pretty good hi-fi that I have improved on over the years and have heard the improvement that wires can make.
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Sure, if you are going from a 24 ga wire to 14 ga.wink.gifbiggrin.gif
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mcnarus---Thank you, but I'm sure they know more about this than I do.
They may not be fellow travelers on my journey to better sound through better wires. My "smart" is sometimes people will help if you ask.

SAM64--- I am just considering coax and asking questions about it's possibilities.
Stranded wire is only used because it is more flexible, I don't know of any
high end cables that are not solid.
I think there may be possibilities with the shielding as I've mentioned.
Wires act like antennas. Ratman had a link that talked about all the wire in the
speaker windings and now I see that some of the new great speakers are being shielded.

Selden Ball--I am only driving a tweeter and coax is 18 gauge--Nightlord thought that would be OK.

CharlesJ--- I know that sounds high and at the beginning of the thread I mentioned that I didn't understand why Infinity recommended a amp of 15 to 150 watts with a powered bass/mid. I have a 25 watt
class A that probably peaks at 50.
I know the next two statements are jokes, but I have heard some 24 gauge
silver wire that sounded pretty impressive and I would not be asking these questions if I could afford them.
Thanks all
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Stranded wire is only used because it is more flexible,

...and is electrically no different from solid wire.
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I don't know of any
high end cables that are not solid.

meaningless and irrelevant.
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I think there may be possibilities with the shielding as I've mentioned.

You'd be surprised.
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Wires act like antennas.

Not all of them.
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speaker windings and now I see that some of the new great speakers are being shielded.

The wire in the voice coil isn't shielded. Sometimes a bucking magnet is used to eliminate an external magnetic field.
Neither of these things relate to coax.

If you're actually interested in learning about coax, google "coaxial transmission line', "characteristic impedance" and go from there.
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The wire in the voice coil isn't shielded. Sometimes a bucking magnet is used to eliminate an external magnetic field.

And shielded speakers are quickly becoming obsolete. One must remember what the shielding was for in the first place. Close proximity to a CRT TV. LCD and Plasma don't have any issues with stray magnetic fields.

Although I have no doubt some cable hack shop will come out with a Plasma or LCD screen demagnetizer for Best Buy to push.

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I didn't mean those home theater speakers, but something like the new
Magico Q7. Here the speaker is protected , not the TV
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