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@Jerry , can you tell me how to put the REW guide back into my signature, I was getting an error when clicking on it and I tried to fix it and now it's gone, thanks much.

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My UMIK-1 is on the way. Just a quick question about output levels for the frequency response test tones... if I set MV on the avr so that the front left speaker measures 75dB (HDMI1), will the LFE channel (HDMI4) measure 10dB higher at 85dB?

And will it be 75dB across the frequency range when measuring any of the speakers with bass management on? Including the portion produced by the sub?

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My UMIK-1 is on the way. Just a quick question about output levels for the frequency response test tones... if I set MV on the avr so that the front left speaker measures 75dB (HDMI1), will the LFE channel (HDMI4) measure 10dB higher at 85dB?
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And will it be 75dB across the frequency range when measuring any of the speakers with bass management on? Including the portion produced by the sub?
If you're not running the sub hot, yes the FR should average 75db throughout the entire range of the sweep.
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My UMIK-1 is on the way. Just a quick question about output levels for the frequency response test tones... if I set MV on the avr so that the front left speaker measures 75dB (HDMI1), will the LFE channel (HDMI4) measure 10dB higher at 85dB?
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If you're not running the sub hot, yes the FR should average 75db throughout the entire range of the sweep.
Ok, that makes sense
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Hey guys, I recently started using REW & was wondering if anyone might have experience using it with an Outlaw Audio Model 975? I noticed that it's recommended to set the receiver/processor to "Stereo" mode while taking measurements & I cannot seem to find a "Stereo" only mode on my 975. As far as I can see, the 975 only has a "Stereo + SW" mode. Am i missing something?

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As long as "SW" is subwoofer, you're fine (and I can't imagine what else it would be).

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Yes, I'm sorry SW means subwoofer :-)...ok great thanks so much for the quick reply. I'll post my FR graphs as soon as I start taking measurements. I could really use some help in understanding whether or not my in-room measurements are "good" or "bad".

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Don't want to double post so here's a link: Frequency Response of Dayton Audio SUB-1200

This is the very first set of measurements I've ever taken with my UMIK-1 + REW...

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Regarding ear protection when outputting loud test tones, what's the most dB reduction one can expect from a good pair of earplugs?
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Regarding ear protection when outputting loud test tones, what's the most dB reduction one can expect from a good pair of earplugs?
20dB is easily achieveable with earplugs, I think big ear muffs can do ~35dB without much difficulty. http://www.hearforever.org/blogs/01/...rr-40-earplugs says that the absolute maximum attenuation is ~40dB due to the way the outer ear behaves.
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Regarding ear protection when outputting loud test tones, what's the most dB reduction one can expect from a good pair of earplugs?
20dB is easily achieveable with earplugs, I think big ear muffs can do ~35dB without much difficulty. http://www.hearforever.org/blogs/01/...rr-40-earplugs says that the absolute maximum attenuation is ~40dB due to the way the outer ear behaves.
Will these be good enough?

http://m.lowes.com/pd/3M-Reusable-Co...-Plugs/3102561

With the mains at 75dB and the sub at 85dB, there is a near 100dB peak at 47Hz in the LFE channel.

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Will these be good enough?

http://m.lowes.com/pd/3M-Reusable-Co...-Plugs/3102561

With the mains at 75dB and the sub at 85dB, there is a near 100dB peak at 47Hz in the LFE channel.
what are you planning on doing? running a measurement sweep? if so, you might get a 20dB modal peak but you don't need hearing protection for that. I can imagine running a ~95dB sweep might be slightly uncomfortable on the ears if you go full range but otherwise I wouldn't (don't) bother unless I'm running compression sweeps.
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I"m getting best FR results around cross overs for my Front speakers if I set the following settings

L/R CrossOver = 90
C CrossOver = 100
Distance in avr = 2.5

I can't localize my subs so no worries for the distance. Its is a general recommendation to set cross over to 80. I have L/R to 90 and C to 100. What difference generally it makes when cross-over is set from 80 to 100?

Note: I'm using Dirac to Eq if that makes any difference.
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IWhat difference generally it makes when cross-over is set from 80 to 100?
When I go from 80 to 100 I don't like the sound. The subs start to lose their "quickness" and "integration" and start to sound bloated. Even more so at 120.


And that's with the best music subwoofers on the market (Rythmik) with proper placement on the front and back walls with the centerline going right through me, sitting at the 66% length of the room. Therefore I stick with 80.

Now if your speakers strain to produce 80Hz, you shouldn't be crossing them that low. Every setup is different.
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Regarding ear protection when outputting loud test tones, what's the most dB reduction one can expect from a good pair of earplugs?
I've been using these and I really like them.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0036231TG..._ChOSvbQA7ZRTB

Samsung PN64H5000 (recommended settings)
Denon AVR-X4000

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Reaction Audio CX-10 (2)
Rythmik Audio F12 (2)

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Regarding ear protection when outputting loud test tones, what's the most dB reduction one can expect from a good pair of earplugs?
I use the "start delay" option for a few seconds and leave the room.
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I use the "start delay" option for a few seconds and leave the room.
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I've been using these and I really like them.

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Will these be good enough?

http://m.lowes.com/pd/3M-Reusable-Co...-Plugs/3102561

With the mains at 75dB and the sub at 85dB, there is a near 100dB peak at 47Hz in the LFE channel.
what are you planning on doing? running a measurement sweep? if so, you might get a 20dB modal peak but you don't need hearing protection for that. I can imagine running a ~95dB sweep might be slightly uncomfortable on the ears if you go full range but otherwise I wouldn't (don't) bother unless I'm running compression sweeps.
Okay, thanks... right now I'm using old foam earplugs and active noise canceling headphones over them... seems to dramatically quiet things down. Is it possible to set REW up to take several measurements at once (different channels in sequence)? Otherwise, leaving the room would be a bit of a pain.

I will be picking up those better earplugs from Lowes... look easier to put in.
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No (unless you want to write a script, which would probably be interesting), it can only take the same measurement several times (which increases accuracy but is generally considered not necessary).

That is, if I heard you correctly.

Michael

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No (unless you want to write a script, which would probably be interesting), it can only take the same measurement several times (which increases accuracy but is generally considered not necessary).

That is, if I heard you correctly.

Michael

I said MICHAEL

Yes, that's what I was asking.
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Okay, thanks... right now I'm using old foam earplugs and active noise canceling headphones over them... seems to dramatically quiet things down. Is it possible to set REW up to take several measurements at once (different channels in sequence)? Otherwise, leaving the room would be a bit of a pain.
Personally, I don't understand the whole earplug thing, unless your measurement sweeps are set extremely high. When I measure at 85dB, I don't find the level so loud that I would consider earplugs. YMMV.

I have a desktop computer in my office, which is in the next room. The REW measurement laptop is in the listening room on top of my equipment rack. If I want to control REW measurements from a different room, I launch the "Remote Desktop" app on my desktop computer, connect to the laptop running REW, and can have full control of running the REW sweeps from a different room. This procedure is for Windows computers, but there is likely a similar remote control app for Mac computers.
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I have a desktop computer in my office, which is in the next room. The REW measurement laptop is in the listening room on top of my equipment rack. If I want to control REW measurements from a different room, I launch the "Remote Desktop" app on my desktop computer, connect to the laptop running REW, and can have full control of running the REW sweeps from a different room. This procedure is for Windows computers, but there is likely a similar remote control app for Mac computers.
Sure, it's called Screen Sharing and I believe it's actually the same software just compiled for the Mac. For some reason they've put it in an odd place: /System/Library/CoreServices/Screen Sharing.app

There's even a version of it for the iPad, IIRC, for the ultimate convenience.
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Personally, I don't understand the whole earplug thing, unless your measurement sweeps are set extremely high. When I measure at 85dB, I don't find the level so loud that I would consider earplugs. YMMV.

I have a desktop computer in my office, which is in the next room. The REW measurement laptop is in the listening room on top of my equipment rack. If I want to control REW measurements from a different room, I launch the "Remote Desktop" app on my desktop computer, connect to the laptop running REW, and can have full control of running the REW sweeps from a different room. This procedure is for Windows computers, but there is likely a similar remote control app for Mac computers.
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Sure, it's called Screen Sharing and I believe it's actually the same software just compiled for the Mac. For some reason they've put it in an odd place: /System/Library/CoreServices/Screen Sharing.app

There's even a version of it for the iPad, IIRC, for the ultimate convenience.
Honestly, not a fan of loud test tones and I'm sitting right next to my surround left and others are not that far either (small room). Preference more than anything, though.

I'd rather stick to one computer and a laptop and this is my best one.

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Jerry - reading your updated guide, Rev 4.2 July 3, 2015, page 57, item 3 does not work for me.
I cannot get the Control Mixer Input/Volume box to show. Any help appreciated. Also, thanks for updating the guide!
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Jerry - reading your updated guide, Rev 4.2 July 3, 2015, page 57, item 3 does not work for me.
I cannot get the Control Mixer Input/Volume box to show. Any help appreciated. Also, thanks for updating the guide!
Saril, you are being quite diligent! That is an obscure section of the guide, written back when I was still a young man . The Input/Volume box only appears when the Java drivers are in use, which is the case when I was conducting those tests.
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Problems with ASIO Driver

I searched the thread, and there have been problems where the UMIK is idle. In my case, the UMIK is active but the HDMI output is idle. I know it works because using test through Windows exercises 5.1 speakers and the microphone test recording and playback works through the speakers. I tried clicking on it, and the icon shows up, but it remains idle when hovering over it. Similarly, in the main screen there is no option to turn on a channel. Versions are REW 5.12 and ASIO4ALL 2.12. Computer is a Windows 7 64 bit laptop.
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Some things to try:

-Unplug and replug the Mic
-Open/close REW (ASIO needs exclusive control of the devices I believe)
-Reboot the machine
-Uninstall a sound card if you're using HDMI out of your video card (desktop only, I had to do this)
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Some things to try:

-Unplug and replug the Mic
-Open/close REW (ASIO needs exclusive control of the devices I believe)
-Reboot the machine
-Uninstall a sound card if you're using HDMI out of your video card (desktop only, I had to do this)
Thanks. I had done number 2 a couple of times. Will test the others. Do I need the HDMI connected to the receiver to see the output as active? If so I will have to get back to this.

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@highmr , when you close the ASIO control panel are you clicking on the wrench so the red X is gone, if so just try closing REW and boot back up, you may also try clicking on the input and output in the ASIO control panel and then close the program and reboot. You may have to do this several times to get it too work, ASIO driver is finicky....
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Do I need the HDMI connected to the receiver to see the output as active? If so I will have to get back to this.
Yes.
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Would it be safe to say 100Hz is the highest crossover worth using with this measured frequency response?
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