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Reviewing multiple sites and stores. Like functionality (wifi, bluetooth) and getting most out of hdtv (likely Panasonic ST or Samsung 7000 series) with purchase. Generally it seems like buying a house: you are buying space and potential (HDMI connections) but would like to prevent any unnecessary duplication in capabilities provided (and thus costs incurred). If features are provided in blu ray, must it also be present in the AV receiver?
My instincts are to buy a "dumb" TV and get the features from the AV/ blu ray. If that is the case, is there a way to compare the compatability of features between AV receivers and blu ray and their capability such that it cost effective, and still getting the most out of the system?
I am not an audiophile, just trying to get quality at a decent price. Want to save money without sacrificing quality or functionality.
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Reviewing multiple sites and stores. Like functionality (wifi, bluetooth) and getting most out of hdtv (likely Panasonic ST or Samsung 7000 series) with purchase. Generally it seems like buying a house: you are buying space and potential (HDMI connections) but would like to prevent any unnecessary duplication in capabilities provided (and thus costs incurred). If features are provided in blu ray, must it also be present in the AV receiver?
Yes, or at least the means to pass the audio they create through to the speakers.

But, this is the wrong question.

Since the AVR has to have the features, the more important question is "Does the Blu Ray player have to have the features for them to be available to you." and the answer is no.
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My instincts are to buy a "dumb" TV and get the features from the AV/ blu ray.

That is a good plan,
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If that is the case, is there a way to compare the compatibility of features between AV receivers and blu ray and their capability such that it cost effective, and still getting the most out of the system?

Yes, you can go to the manufacturer's web site(s), obtain the detailed specifications which sometimes involves analyzing the users manual, and compare
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I am not an audiophile, just trying to get quality at a decent price. Want to save money without sacrificing quality or functionality.

Of course a lot of this depends on what features and functionality you want. If you want certain kinds of handling of SACD and DVD-A discs, then you have a lot of research and fairly expensive hardware ahead of you, together with some awkward operations that you have to may have to do frequently.

If you just want to enjoy the movies on the next Blu Ray that you buy, download, or rent; it is highly probable that a fairly simple inexpensive Blu Ray player and AVR will do the job.
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It seems like a stripped down product, such as a television that is really just a giant monitor without a tuner or crappy speakers should be cheaper than one with added bells and whistles. However, this is often not the case, as the volume of product manufactured that way is far lower than that of product with long feature lists. So I guess most of us wind up with, for instance, two or three upscalers (bd player, avr, tv) and then have to figure out which one is best. Oddly enough you'll often have to pay a premium for stripped down product.

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Thanks, Arny. I want the ability to access the internet through my existing wifi, stream movies from wifi or the cable connection, access music from these sources as well as play music from my android based phone and computer. Is there a particular site that evaluates the compatibility between blu ray and AVR components? If not it would seem to be an unmined resource for tech needy dorks like myself.
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Thanks, Arny. I want the ability to access the internet through my existing wifi, stream movies from wifi or the cable connection, access music from these sources as well as play music from my android based phone and computer. Is there a particular site that evaluates the compatibility between blu ray and AVR components? If not it would seem to be an unmined resource for tech needy dorks like myself.
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There is no compatibility issues in the way you are explaining it. When Blu-ray came out there were some but not anymore. All modern AVRs and players have the right AV features to play nice with each other.

Internet access/network playback is another matter. While there is no compatibility problems with respect to your AVR, there are differences in how well that is implemented in the players vs TVs. It is model and brand specific. And no, I have not seen a comprehensive list comparing them. Pick your favorite feature/app and make sure it runs well in the device you are buying. In general, Blu-ray players seem to have more capable implementations than TVs (the silicon in Blu-ray player has traditionally been more capable than the cheaper version used in TVs).

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Thanks, Arny. I want the ability to access the internet through my existing wifi, stream movies from wifi or the cable connection, access music from these sources as well as play music from my android based phone and computer. Is there a particular site that evaluates the compatibility between blu ray and AVR components? If not it would seem to be an unmined resource for tech needy dorks like myself.
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I don't think that you need to worry so much about AVR and BC player compatibility as you need to worry about those internet sites. IME once the BD player logs into the internet site (but only if it can do so), the compatibility with the AVR is a done deal. However AVRs vary strongly in terms of which internet sites they support. The more total solution for accessing the internet is a PC.
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It seems like a stripped down product, such as a television that is really just a giant monitor without a tuner or crappy speakers should be cheaper than one with added bells and whistles. However, this is often not the case, as the volume of product manufactured that way is far lower than that of product with long feature lists. So I guess most of us wind up with, for instance, two or three upscalers (bd player, avr, tv) and then have to figure out which one is best. Oddly enough you'll often have to pay a premium for stripped down product.

+1. I'd bet that the parts cost of putting in all the connections and features I think are superfluous in my HT equipment, for the whole manufacturing run of any given avr or bd player, is literally less than the incremental cost of obtaining UL and other countries' similar approvals for each separately configured device would be. So you start with machines that have the same intrinsic costs, then you start stripping away the economies of scale by manufacturing maye a fifth to a tenth of the number you'd make of the one size fits all device. You end up paying more to get rid of the functionality you don't need.
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