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ok then. you could of just said you like cds better.

You could have just said you like the limited frequency response, limited dynamic range, distortion and colouration of vinyl better.
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i could of, but i did not. end of argument.mad.gif

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...could have
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i has gone done it.

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A few audiophile friends and I did an interesting thing back a few years. Good quality system we were all familiar with. We gathered all the recordings in three formats we had between us. LP, CD, and hi-speed or normal speed reel-to-reel. It was surprising how the general balance of the reels was very similar to CD's. We had a couple dozen recordings to use. Of course reel tape had tape hiss, but the general sound was very much like CD other than the hiss. LP was always, every single time, the odd man out. Always obviously different.

Now I agree well done LP is gorgeous and enjoyable. But it really shouldn't be a reference. The real hifi reference in those days were hi-speed reels. They cost more and the masses had much less expensive LP's. It was not at all the experience we expected from this comparison, but it was very informative and enlightening.

No reason one shouldn't enjoy LP's. But they sound different than other things due to coloration and limitations of the medium. Artfully done people learned to work around those limitations. It was coincidence that some of those coloring factors happen to enhance some aspects of music playback in the home.
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Now I agree well done LP is gorgeous and enjoyable. But it really shouldn't be a reference. The real hifi reference in those days were hi-speed reels. They cost more and the masses had much less expensive LP's.
I have had the urge to bring up reel-to-reel often when people mention vinyl as the more faithful, or more natural or other adjectives that place vinyl above other mediums.

In the 60's, 70's and early 80's, when vinyl was the format that ruled the market, 1/4" tape was the choice for the discerning listener. You could make the case that tape was superior because you couldn't possibly "etch" the music into a "mechanical" medium without mechanically induced distortions. It was also argued that tape was the more "natural" medium, because the original masters were on tape. Now that the original masters are digital, wouldn't that argument hold for the CD?

I only want point out that, at the height of vinyl's popularity, nobody considered it a superior medium, only a more cost-effective medium.
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ok then. you could of just said you like cds better.
I think it's hilarious that that was the conclusion you can to. Not that you'd taken a philiosophical line on a medium with known defects and wanted to wax lyrical about it with people who have a lot of experience of it, and appreciate what it can do, and what it cannot.

More ironic is that I (think) I own more LPs than CDs currently, and on the day I made the last post in this thread, I bought a new TT to replace one I want to sell.
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I only want point out that, at the height of vinyl's popularity, nobody considered it a superior medium, only a more cost-effective medium.

Good point.
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I think it's hilarious that that was the conclusion you can to. Not that you'd taken a philiosophical line on a medium with known defects and wanted to wax lyrical about it with people who have a lot of experience of it, and appreciate what it can do, and what it cannot.

More ironic is that I (think) I own more LPs than CDs currently, and on the day I made the last post in this thread, I bought a new TT to replace one I want to sell.

i own more CDs than LPs, but from my own tests i like lps better. i like vinyl, you may or may not. eek.gif

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i like vinyl, you may or may not.

We got it....I thought you 'ended the argument' a few posts back'?

You like the unnatural distortion and low quality, to each their own.
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Any views on these models

Sansui FR-D25

Sansui SR-212

Dual 1225 with Shure Cartridge and stylus
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Hi Darrel,

The SR-212, like most of Sansui's SR series, was a good table. That one is belt-drive and semi-automatic, if I remember correctly. If not overpriced, it could be good.

The FR-D25, on the other-hand, was from Sansui's "plastic" series, meant to satisfy the need for low-cost tables. I would avoid it.

Dual made some good tables, but I don't know anything about the 1225.
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Thanks.
1. It is about 200 A$
2. I will avoid
3. This is ebays link
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/161017981240?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
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Hi all,
Finally i settled for a JVC JL A20. I am sure it may be not a preferred model to most here. But i was carried away by the pictures and the write up on ebay.
Anyway i also got the seller to send me a Behringer PP400 phono preamp. Is this a reasonable unit.
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