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So I went into magnolia at best buy today and all the guys were having a hard on when I went to buy some monster speaker wire. They said the audioquest type 2 cable is so much better. Does anyone know if there is any truth in this? Thanks for the input.
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It's wire.

Get the appropriate gauge for the lowest price....try Home Depot, landscape wire, 12 gauge.
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So I went into magnolia at best buy today and all the guys were having a hard on when I went to buy some monster speaker wire. They said the audioquest type 2 cable is so much better. Does anyone know if there is any truth in this? Thanks for the input.

It's better for the bottom line (profit margin) for the mag store than it is for your ears. I'd also stay away from those best buy dudes with wood..lol


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That's what I was thinking. I went for some monster speaker wire 50 ft. they had on sale for 19.99. A great price imo from a known brand. They were running around like their balls were being cut off, so I would put that down and get audioquest. 100 bucks for the audioquest 30 feet and 20 for the monster 50 ft. So I said I will be back. lol. I will go pickup the monster Friday. Thanks guys. I don't see who cable could make that big a difference. Why buy expensive speakers if a brand of speaker wire would make such a huge difference.
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So I went into magnolia at best buy today and all the guys were having a hard on when I went to buy some monster speaker wire. They said the audioquest type 2 cable is so much better. Does anyone know if there is any truth in this? Thanks for the input.

Audioquest type 2 speaker cable describes a specfic product, but monster cable doesn't.

I notice that Audioquest type 2 speaker cable nets out to be 17 gauge wire which is far less copper than the 12 or 14 gauge that most of us prefer.

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AQT2NF

Commodity 12 gauge runs a few bucks for two 8 foot pieces at hardware and home improvement stores and will work well in far more different circumstances than 17 gauge.

http://www.amazon.com/Rsw1250-Spool-Translucent-Speaker-Gauge/dp/B009XUN5Q4/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1365768935&sr=1-13&keywords=speaker+cables+12+gauge
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Suckers. Type 2 rocks, and I've pulled out and tossed all my Monster. Proof is to do the hard work, buy it and compare it with your own ears. Agree with hype and marketing but let your ears be the guide! It's a pain in the ass buying stuff and returning it if it doesn't work out but if it's important to you and you want the best result you gotta do the leg work.
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Well, smart people buy their speaker wire at Monoprice. Typical Monster XP is 16AWG. At Monoprice, 16AWG is $20 per 100ft. $15 for 50ft for 12AWG - real heavy duty stuff.

So when you went in looking for Monster, those guys figured they could sell you a three-legged horse along with some Arizona beach-front property - and rake in the commission.
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Suckers. Type 2 rocks, and I've pulled out and tossed all my Monster.

You're the sucker who bought and installed monster cable in the first place.
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They were running around like their balls were being cut off, so I would put that down and get audioquest.
That's because you were cutting off their balls. They get paid a bonus for selling you the AQ.

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Suckers. Type 2 rocks, and I've pulled out and tossed all my Monster. Proof is to do the hard work, buy it and compare it with your own ears.
Of all the available tools to judge the performance of cable your ears are the least reliable. Not that different cables can't sound different, they can. The problem is that if you think a cable will sound better, it will, and if the reason why you think a cable will sound better is price you're throwing your money away.
The only factors that influence cable behavior are resistance, capacitance and inductance. Those factors have no direct correlation with price. In fact, some of the worst cables made with respect to resistance, capacitance and inductance are also some of the most expensive cables sold.
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They were running around like their balls were being cut off, so I would put that down and get audioquest.
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I have had good results with the Audioquest line of cables, both speaker and interconnects.

I have also had good results just using #10 or #12 speaker cable from Monoprice, and also making my own from Belden wire.

Oddly (don't ask me why), I have heard some Monster cables that audibly degrade the sound.

My advice would be to get some #12 pure copper speaker cable from Monoprice; Monoprice #2747 or 2789.

I am sure it will work well, and the price is very good.
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I've read that AQ's "PSC+" is actually OCC copper from Neotech.
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Oddly (don't ask me why), I have heard some Monster cables that audibly degrade the sound.

Some Monster Cable cables have high capacitance, and some are actually pretty small conductors despite their apparently large size (thicker insulation and an outer sheath makes them look impressive but does not improve their performance).

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The suckers are those that follow the fish hooks on a 9 month old thread. rolleyes.gif
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The suckers are those that follow the fish hooks on a 9 month old thread. rolleyes.gif

...and the rats who post in them, but contribute absolutely nothing.
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You're the sucker who bought and installed monster cable in the first place.
Such as this?
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Such as this?

no, more like that ^ smile.gif
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Rather than busting balls, you could have just referred to post #2 rather than contributing absolutely nothing as you did in post #8.
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Not that the original person starting this thread is likely to come back, but anyone interested in what wire to get should read this:

 

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm


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That article should be made a "sticky" in this forum. You should have to read it before you can post here. I can't believe that I'm still reading these cable threads 15 years after I originally joined this forum.
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That article should be made a "sticky" in this forum. You should have to read it before you can post here. I can't believe that I'm still reading these cable threads 15 years after I originally joined this forum.
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There are always new people, and they need to learn the same things that others already know.  One should have patience with them; ignorance is not the same as stupidity.

 

Also, some people never learn.  Many are quite happy to believe all sorts of nonsense, and do not care about properly testing things or proper standards of evidence.  And they often like to spread their nonsense to others.  When people make a religion out of their audio beliefs, they typically like getting new converts to their religion.

 

And yes, I agree, that article should be made into a "sticky."


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Then all you need to do is get them to actually read the stickys before posting. tongue.gif
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Then all you need to do is get them to actually read the stickys before posting. tongue.gif

 

Yes.  But if they were prominently displayed, some people would read them, and for those who did not, the stickies would be a ready reference for others to point to whenever needed.


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That's one of the problems with the stickies. Not very prominent as they were with the older BB software.
OTOH... it's just as easy to re-post the link that has been posted a gazillion times. tongue.gif
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That's one of the problems with the stickies. Not very prominent as they were with the older BB software.
OTOH... it's just as easy to re-post the link that has been posted a gazillion times. tongue.gif

 

It is not quite as easy.  For one thing, with new members, there is a delay for posting off-site links.  A moderator must approve the post before anyone else can see it.  And second, many people will not remember where the thing was, and some are poor at searching, and so fewer will be posting links to such useful sites.  So it would still be better as a sticky.


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From looking, I now see that there is a sticky about this, though it is not just about this:

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/824554/setting-up-your-home-theater-101/0_100

 

The totality might be a bit overwhelming to someone new, but it is a very good thing to have such a list.


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