Thanks for the link to those refurbed receivers arnyk, that'll be useful in the future. I also read through the thread you mentioned but either I missed it or I don't know enough about sound systems yet because it seemed more like someone came in with knowledge and something mostly set looking for feedback which he is getting. It's no doubt useful to look at the recommendations it's just I don't get the differences. Still, I'm wondering what the differences are between different speakers and receivers. I suppose all of this is my fault, I wasn't very clear in my OP. This is something I plan to buy but right now I'm far from having the money saved up and that's why, for now anyway, I'd prefer knowledge since I have the distinct feeling a lot of these things wont be easily buyable when I finally get around to buying my setup and I'd like to be able to choose new parts well. Any help for that?