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post #271 of 273 Old 06-04-2014, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Guy Friendly View Post

I don't wish to cut-up the efforts of organized works such as Dan's Thesis or that of others. Dan is clearly a brother in arms, which is to say one that cares about audio quality, and the path(s) to improve it.Like most brothers, we don't always see things in the same light, but we're most definitely brothers.

I mentioned Cheever's merely because his paper is accessible to all and that his conclusion, which calls for a new measurement methodology,has merit and relates to the central theme of this debate, which is we cannot objectively prove what sounds good to all or a majority group, etc.

The current state of measurement technology has its place, without question and much 'goodness' and 'poorness, if you will; can be derived from them; however, there's a major gap in correlating the subjective observations with objective assertions.

And how familiar are you with the current state of psychoacoustic testing? That thesis is 25 years old.
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Originally Posted by krabapple View Post

Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

There is a group of people at AVS who believes that all cables sound the same, all HDMI are alike, all amplifiers sound the same, all DAC sounds the same.

And that's the same as saying 'everything sounds the same'?

If that's the level of rigor you bring to the discussion: Fail.

If you want to understand where that poster is coming from, you might want to look at this:


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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

If you want to understand where that poster is coming from, you might want to look at this:
Would you please post your equipment list so that we know where you are coming from Arny?
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