Originally Posted by arnyk
Global demonization if there ever was any.
The author has no idea of the details of all audio ABX tests simply because so many ABX tests have been done in private that nobody know any such thing.
Amir has been complaining that I have not documented many of the ABX tests that I've done. I am therefore looking to this author's detailed deconstruction any of them. After all, he's the one that used the words "all encompassing".
Global actualization, perhaps!
Private testing - is private and therefore has never been presented as measure of anything. One can reasonably assume that if the results were conclusive, repeatable and able to with stand professional scrutiny that they would have been shared in some form. In the absence of such sharing's, one can only assume that the aforementioned was not the case. I also believe Arny that if you had such a document you would have wielded it ages ago; hence Amir's taunting of you, to deliver such.
Of what has been published and shared, in various forms, has failed to produce universal, repeatable truths, this is fact - like it or not. Null, result, after Null result, even in clearly biased settings. I don't know of a single manufacturer in North America (there is bound to be a couple) that has a audio ABX set-up, outside of a few speaker manufacturers, and I have it on good authority that they have been decommissioned (In Canada).
The standard mix of test equipment, designed for product development, debugging and goodness measurement, is all based in automated, to semi-automated signal agitation(s), acquisition and analysis. Not one company uses an ABX Comparator, during design, debugging and goodness measurement. I work for a company that owns several manufacturing plants around the world and has hundreds of engineers in its employ, and we don't have a single audio ABX comparator. We do have hundreds of peace's of test equipment, from all major producers of such. An interest factoid, 1/3 of our business comes from the sale of loudspeakers, but yet we don't inventory a single audio ABX comparator. If they were of value to any degree, we and other manufacturers would inventory at least one. We have $80K analyzers, what's $800-1000.00 for and audio ABX Comparator - it's chump change.
Like I've said, there is absolutely no credibility to the current realm of audio ABX testing's, they're antidotal at best. A fully informed, objective person, cannot reach any other conclusion. To be fair perhaps, I acknowledge that a big smoke cloud was produced throughout the 90's that initially mislead a great many, but by the mid 2000's, it was smothered and with it the manufacturing of Audio ABX comparators (which very few purchased, even during its hayday). Again, today, a fully informed, objective person, cannot reach any other conclusion. If you have, then you're not fully informed, objective, or you're selling something other than truths (to others, as well as yourself) and perhaps a combination, or a blend of the three may be in play.
So you've pushed and I have laid my cards on the preverbal table: I challenge anyone to provided me with just one fully documented, proctored audio ABX test session (just one). I will study it deeply and if I am unable to find a short-coming (which of coarse I will disclose for group scrutiny) you will have won me over (and I will also eat a large portion of humble pie).
If the goal isn't to win people over, to convince them of your truth, perhaps the truth, but rather to bully, prod and make light of, then don't send me a darn thing, and I will put you on ignore, so that we can all move on.
But if this challenge is met, and I succeed in discovering legitimate short-comings, even one, I ask but just one thing from those of you whom are mislead; what I am about to ask is for their benefit, not my own. I ask that you seriously, and completely re-investigate your prerogatives and the foundations upon which they have been formed. I ask for nothing more - no gloat, no glory!
No gamesmanship here - just direct communications, straight across the bow.