Originally Posted by amir
What "business end" of it? Even a dollar store AVR claims to decode and playback 192khz/24-bit audio samples. No hardware maker stands to make a cent from capabilities that have existed for 10 to 15 years in consumer gear if not longer.
Except now. I suggest reading the thread before making proclamations like this.
Opinions , experiences as well as legitimate questions are different from 'proclimations'
The business end of any transaction for profit (that usually being negotiable currency ) should be readily apparent
to anyone with at least an 8th grade education .
Have you seen Sony's divisional business unit operating statements
for all the business units involved (including Sony Music ) in hires et al. that sounds like an unfounded proclamation best. Somehow I don't think you see the potential of the big picture here business wise globally at scale ofc.
Sony music is the long game here not the players .
So I assume it would be safe to say the hardware manufactures maybe even Foxconn
should only produce hires devices. Seems like Apple ( you've heard of the I'm' sure ) has been doing pretty well
with their low res devices all along this argument does not hold water .
Originally Posted by Armir
I can tell the difference on a stock laptop and its analog/headphone jack. Mind you, this is a properly engineered laptop. The rest and key part is knowing how to listen. And in this case, getting "lucky" that someone decided to put forward a revealing set of tracks -- by accident of course.
Yes people claim to be able to hear a lot of things even voices when no one is present !
I can probably discern many similar things . All my TV's sound different also as does my HT system and Studio system no surprise has nothing to do with source resolution in my examples though .
I've never heard a properly engineered laptop myself. doesn't mean they don't exist or necessarily sound that good or that bad some probably do and some may not not much of an argument to prove a marketing hypothesis.
Maybe they should find out who has the most "Golden ears " and then put them in the Smithstonian some day !
I've been listening to pretty good things for years maybe longer than you? One shoulden't have to be a trained listener to arguably enjoy superior playback , a fallacious yet repetitive argument in all the usual audiophool discussions .
Originally Posted by amir
Well, the most "vested interest" in these discussions has nothing to do with anything in the industry. Rather, folks want to defend their claims on these forums tooth and nail. Never mind that none of it was gained through professional/educational training and experimentation. What they have read and claimed to be the audio "truth" must be right. If it is not, and in the face of very strong concrete data, must be corrupt. "All the people who stand to get rich if this were true." Right....
Seems like you are defending your arguments with tooth and nail nothing convincing so far though vested interests
from the investors ( SNY
) and othres in the business and related services all the way down to the retailer have everything to do with the discussion they are manufacturing ,marketing and producing the hardware and content and selling it to the end user and yes sometimes business opportunities produce wealth sometimes they do not .
Maybe you don't understand the meaning of vested interests as it applies to this discussion ?
Nobody said anything about corruption IMO you are misinterpreting market creation and business growth opportunities
maybe you missed that sort of business education .
Originally Posted by Armir
No one is waiting or asking to you do anything. We are here because vocal members here and in countless other forums constant post that no one has ever shown under "level matched, DBT ABX, properly done test" that these differences are audible. Well, now we have that data. It doesn't matter if you also hear it or don't hear it. All it takes is one positive identification to invalidate the claims.
Test must be repeatable to verify results science 101 one test can be faulty or have unintended anomalies .
I have read every post in this thread
even some without much merit ? not to do so before stating my position (opinions ) may have left me uninformed of any new found miracles or useful test data I did not find any ?
You mean this test ?
Did you ever straighten out that discrepancy with your ABX test results posted in this thread with the inventor of the test ? . ................IIRC he stated your test results are invalid
something was maybe left out ? maybe you didn't see that ? .never mind makes no difference to me anyway . Since when did you suddenly become "WE"
pretty good trick how did you accomplish that ?
I thought I politely asked you in another thread not to trouble yourself with providing me directly with any data or hypothesis or opinions actually . The thing is .......I prefer to do my own research there are other members here that can attest to that ...... Maybe you did not see that I'll leave it at that .
btw this is a public forum and your name is not on the top in case you haven't noticed We are all within the forum guidelines in raising legitimate questions and stating our opinions and experiences perhaps you should start your own forum and require that everyone agree with your positions .
Originally Posted by armir
You need 20 bits or 120 db dynamic range. 16 bit is insufficient. See my article or references at the end to "scientific peer reviewed journal papers: at the end: http://www.**************.com/Librar...amicRange.html
Hate to tell you this but you just declared no one can go to the moon right after moon landing was shown on TV! Of course, that was all fake and the whole thing was shot in a movie studio. But you didn't know that, right? Right.
Unfounded analogy at best a misinterpretation also . I didn't declare anything outside of common business practices/conditions and current market conditions but only offered questions ,experiences and opinions regarding hires music perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word declare......
On the bit thing....................... there are many prominent folks if
in the industry that seem to think 16 bits is sufficient not to mention 20 bits are much less than what is being
marketed in today's hires formats so I fail to see how that bolsters the hires argument in general .
You are of course entitled to your opinions as are all of us here but opinions generally do not qualify as proof of concept or prove an unproven theory or hypothesis .
: I've been down the hi res road before with SACD and Sony ES spinners weren't exactly cheap or low quality back then neither was the media . It's sitting on a shelf collecting dust now but it still works .
EDIT : IMO a Good CD or 96/24 file
with all other things and conditions being equal sounds as good as an SACD and some recently downloaded hires files in a sighted unscientific approximately level matched
comparison to me
admittedly possibly with some bias expectations . I've used the unsighted ABX /Foobar comparisons also under the same conditions with no reliable results to report YMMV . FWIW .
Note : These are opinions and experience recollections and not a declaration of scientific facts or data YMMV