Originally Posted by 2Bdecided
But what if you can prove that any impurities are too low a level to be detected, tasted, or have any effect on human health?
That's the trick, isn't it? Problem we face in audio is that we don't have the measurements that say, "this is audible."
I am not a doctor but even in the water example my understanding is that there is no certainty. We can tolerate certain amount of impurities and some can tolerate more than others.
What if it costs 5x more to get water straight from the waterfall, and you have to walk a mile each time to do it?
Well, they walked many miles to the top of the waterfall and it was worth it to do that than have severe stomach pain and discomfort.
In the context of this topic, the high-res content does not cost 5X more. And if it does, then sure, each one of us can decide if the extra purity is worth it or not.
Anthony Bourdain in his book, Kitchen Confidential, talks about how the seafood market opens at something like 3:00am. The best chef go then to pick the best seafood. By 10:00am, what is left is stinking fish that is starting to rot in the hot weather. He says that is when the Chinese cooks show up and buy what is left at really low prices. He asks, "how else did you think they can sell you a seafood dish for $7 or some such price?" That is on my mind anytime I eat Chinese food in a strip mall
Then it becomes irrational to pay the extra money and make the extra trip. People are free to become irrational, but such irrationality is rarely benign: it usually means they're neglecting something else.
What is irrational to you and me, is perfect rational to somebody else. When I started working at Microsoft, one of my bosses had made a ton of money since he had been there way before I had. Despite being far younger than me, his net worth was in a completely different class. To wit, he wanted to buy a Ferrari that had a year waiting list. Anxious to have "something" he bought a used Ferrari with intent to trade it in for the other one in a year. I did the math and the sales tax alone was more than a new Honda Accord on the "used one!" To me that was the most irrational thing I had heard. But to him, it was perfectly rational given his interest to get that car and the amount of money he had.
Should we get together and start a movement to declare the above irrational and try to stop people from doing what he did? What do we do if we ever find ourselves in his situation? How many of us drive a used compact car instead of an SUV? How many of us live in a one-bedroom apartment instead of a big house with four bedrooms? We could all sleep in one room, right?
Abandon the concept of "good enough", and you can always be sold "better". It never ends. The cost is 50x to climb the waterfall, and it takes you 8 hours to do it, but boy that water is pure!
In the case of high-res content, it ends and it ends quickly. Get the master that was created for the track and you are done. There is no higher hill to climb. And it doesn't cost 50X.
What we are advocating is let's make it illegal for people to go to the top of the waterfall.
The cost is 500x to fly into the clouds, and it takes you 20 hours to do it, but oh the pure water!
I was having sushi once. As I always do, I ask where the fish came from, its quality, etc. We had this fish that the chef said was "farmed" but that they kept them in ocean and pumped water from the bottom of the ocean into the pen as to provide a much fresher environment for them. The taste was amazing. Even more amazing was comments from my Japanese colleagues that were there. They said in Japan they actually bottle and sell that water! He had never heard of it being used to breed fish. "Ah the pure water."
Interestingly, some people delight in higher cost and greater inconvenience. Sometimes they want whatever someone will tell them is "better". Sometimes they only concentrate on one dimension of "better" at a time, possibly making the overall experience worse. Sometimes the higher cost and greater inconvenience delivers no change in experience at all.
That is certainly true. My partner Steve on WBF Forum, has a set of tube pre-amps that are mono. So every time he wants to change the volume, he has to turn both dials up and down! To me that makes no sense. To him, it is worth it. I put huge value on convenience. He does not.
Meanwhile some people have a basic curiosity about what is good enough, where objectively better ceases to be noticeably better, and why. Sometimes they have a good grasp of the various dimensions of "better", leading to a much better experience overall.
Those two different kinds of people should probably never meet.
Well said. Unfortunately they do meet on these forums.
Great, thought provoking post David. My apology in responding to every sentence separately. Did not mean that to come across me being critical of what you are saying