Originally Posted by spkr
Thank you for showing me that you don't understand what objective cable comparison is. That explains why you've been posting what you've been posting.
Sorry to break your bubble, you've been misguided about audio cabling. I know it's hard to break away from it especially when you've been in that bubble for many years. I know because (as I mentioned already) I've been in that bubble too.
Try this. http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm
Why don't you mention that site to Bruce Brisson. He can probably explain why this site might be misleading. Now, I will tell you that there are ways to mislead both sides, it's easily done. I can conjure up ways for you to not hear any difference just like I can conjure up a test for you to be able to hear a difference. It's actually easy to conjure up both sides. It's making sure that the listener can't do a long term evaluation or picking out cables that are very similar or very dissimilar, or listening to bad recordings, loud volume levels that cause ear fatigue preventing you from hearing everything. Lots of ways to disprove and prove differences in cables.
Now, if you want to read some half baked site that hasn't tested every cable on the market and done every possible test that cables mfg have done to prove their technology, then all I can say is that it's a misleading website that hasn't tested everything.
My first question is to ask the person that made the site what their credentials are for listening to audio equipment? Someone like a mastering engineer that spends their days listening to 1st and 2nd generation recordings who's job is to make a better recording is reliant on the equipment they use. The guy who created this site doesn't sound like someone that actually knows how to listen to cables.
Some of things I might agree with, but there are many things I don't. Yeah, those cable stands i'm up in the air about since I've never used them to tell if they actually do anything but help in cable management and gives the user that ability to keep cables away from other cables. If you have ever been in an environment with a lot of power cables and audio cables and digital cables, you know that putting power cables too close to other cables may cause some problems, so that's about all they might be actually doing, but again, I think they are just a fancy way of cable management so they don't really improve sound as much as they prevent problems, so I see those as more of a preventative measure to keep cables away from one another in situations where they have lots of cables and power cables in the same proximity.
As far as the tests that they showed like the Monster cable tester. I don't use those type of tests to persuade me one way or another because it's been designed to prove one thing.
They mentioned damping as a myth. I'm not in a position to comment on that. However, with digital cables, I've been told that damping is critical in digital SPDIF cables, but that's different than speaker cables or analog interconnects. I've never read by the people I listen to that mentioned damping as a critical factor with speaker cables or analog interconnects so i can't comment on that.
What's wrong with doing listening tests where you aren't playing at high volumes that can cause short term hearing damage? I do that for all listening tests of equipment. I also will sometimes turn the volume even lower to get a sense of how well the product (regardless of what it is) does low level detail. Some products are only good at one volume level and some are good at a wider listening range, so changing the volume levels can give the listener the ability to hear how the product responds to low medium and high listening levels, but i do keep the volume level down below a harmful level as ear fatigue will prevent one from conducting a proper evaluation of anything in the audio world.
Also, the person that created that website didn't conduct any articulation measurements of any kind. Only did a limited number of tests with a limited number of cables, so it's very incomplete. Also, they didn't really go into all of the different types of copper wire where the levels of purity change drastically and they have measurements to back up the fact that the super high OFC quality copper is much better than the low grade copper used in the low end cheap cables.
Plus, the bottom line is, have you heard a difference in cables in your own listening tests and ultimately let you decide without anyone telling you what sounds better or worse? I've done plenty of evaluation of cables over the years and there are cables that are definitely better sounding and I can't deny that fact. I can't tolerate listening to a system that's harsh sounding. It causes ear fatigue and I'm well aware of that. I bought some relatively low end powered speakers for my computer for causal listening and the interconnects I had originally were good quality, but I noticed I couldn't listen to my system for longer than about 15 minutes as it was just too harsh sounding. I tried another set of interconnects that were relatively inexpensive ($90 a pair) and that's not a ton of money. I heard such a difference it was undeniable. I could then listen to my system all day long without any ear fatigue, and I could actually turn it up to higher levels without distortion and it was actually kind of strange how good sounding these speaker were with high resolution tracks. That solidified that even relatively inexpensive cables on an inexpensive system can greatly improve what you have. So, whenever someone tells me that there is no difference in sound quality, I just shake my head and know that they aren't examining things as well as they should.
I like to be my own judge and definitely not listen to those that I don't think are qualified listeners.
What brands of cables have you personally done any long term evaluations of and how do you evaluate cables? If you don't answer the question, then it makes me feel as though you haven't done enough judging on your own without other people influencing what you hear.