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Red face Speaker system for television and music, sound bar or bookshelf speakers?

I am new here and only have some audio experience, mostly in car audio.

I am looking at getting a new sound system mostly for the purpose of listening to music. I am currently using laptop speakers, which are not the best. I would also like to use this same system for my T.V Since I am not used to better music inside my apartment I think anything will be an improvement. I do have a low budget, being only able to spend around $200 for a total system, the lower the better... I am not looking for surround sound, just better quality listening. My listening area is about 5-10 feet away with a wall behind me, but the room is somewhat large and open to the one side.

From my research I presume I should look for a 2.1 system, but I am not sure if a sound bar would be better than getting a pair of computer or bookshelf speakers?

Is Bluetooth worth it or does it ruin the quality?

I believe my T.V only has an optical digital audio output, I don't see any other output options other an auxiliary jack. What is the better way to run audio out?

I have considered getting a 2.0 setup as well and then down the line add a sub.

I also saw on cnet, build a system using an amplifier and bookshelf speakers.
http://www.cnet.com/news/build-your-own-desktop-stereo-for-under-70/



I would also like to connect either my Andriod, iPad, and computer to this system. I don't know if my expectations are too high for my low budget, it is possible to buy parts used or at separate times. I strongly desire better sounding audio.

A few options I have seen for a lower price, that seem to have decent reviews. Any thoughts?

http://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-B.../dp/B002RMPHMU
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...YHMMNY2Z1TRBNY

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-YST-SW0...ered+subwoofer

http://www.amazon.com/Creative-GigaW...1&keywords=t20

I sincerely appreciate your time, thanks!
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For the amount of money you have budgeted I would give the Cnet system with the HiFi Man Dac a shot. It looks pretty easy to set up. I've also seen a couple of Yamaha sound bars on Amazon that looked good that would fit your budget. If you do go with a soundbar make sure it has an optical jack if that is what your tv has. If it can do blue tooth even better. I've used blue tooth audio and have no real complaints, but it also depends what you are using for playback. And to answer one of your questions you can buy used but it can be a crap shoot if you don't know what to look for. And you can buy at separate times and build.
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I appreciate your response!

I agree the cnet idea looks like a good deal. The only thing I am concerned about is it won't be loud enough as it is a pretty tiny amp. Will the limiting factor be the amp? Would this be a better choice?

http://www.amazon.com/microFidelity-...XX4945M08HYCE0


How would this compare?

http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-YAS-101...amaha+soundbar

Can both of these options work well if I add a powered sub without any extra accessories?

Thanks!
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See this thread for what I did for my 2.1 office setup that I'm quite happy with.

I ended up with these speakers:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E7H8GG2/...SIN=B00E7H8GG2

This amp (same one as the CNet article):

http://www.amazon.com/LP-2020A-Lepai...iglink20246-20

And this sub (no longer on closeout unfortunately):

http://www.woot.com/offers/subsonic-...te+-+home.woot

Total was a bit over your budget @ $280, but $180 of that was the sub.
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See this thread for what I did for my 2.1 office setup that I'm quite happy with.

I ended up with these speakers:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E7H8GG2/...SIN=B00E7H8GG2

This amp (same one as the CNet article):

http://www.amazon.com/LP-2020A-Lepai...iglink20246-20

And this sub (no longer on closeout unfortunately):

http://www.woot.com/offers/subsonic-...te+-+home.woot

Total was a bit over your budget @ $280, but $180 of that was the sub.

Thanks!

It really seems like such a good deal for the t amps! Nice thread. I am concerned that they won't be powerful enough to fill my room. Any chance you have heard your system in a larger setting?

I plan to add a nice powered sub down the line. Any reason you didn't want a more powerful amp? Or would that even be worth it?

I appreciate your time!
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Sorry, but that system was for my desk in my office at work, so it's strictly nearfield only and I never really get to crank it up. Maybe 60-70db max.

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I appreciate your response!

I agree the cnet idea looks like a good deal. The only thing I am concerned about is it won't be loud enough as it is a pretty tiny amp. Will the limiting factor be the amp? Would this be a better choice?

http://www.amazon.com/microFidelity-...XX4945M08HYCE0


How would this compare?

http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-YAS-101...amaha+soundbar

Can both of these options work well if I add a powered sub without any extra accessories?

Thanks!
I don't know how loud you want to go but the cnet system is basically a desktop setup that will sound good but volume may be a problem especially at ten feet away. The Yamaha sound bar will probably sound louder but is meant more for TV than music though it will handle music. That model does not have blue tooth. Amazon is showing a factory refurbished model, ATS1520 BL R for 175 that has blue tooth, plus control thru a phone app, and has a built in subwoofer. You can add another sub later if you want. The downside is it's meant to be paired with a tv 55" or bigger. I don't know if room is an issue but that is another option. I know you weren't looking for surround sound but that is something a soundbar can provide.
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Thanks Alan,

Does it begin to distort when played at higher levels? I'm not looking to use it for house parties. I sit about 6-8 feet away.

Thanks Acebreathe,

My main priority is music, tv is just a plus. Does a soundbar really sound subpar to bookshelf speakers?

My tv is only 32" I have about 36" of space on the table for a soundbar.



Is my best bet looking for a used reciever?
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A sound bar doesn't necessarily sound subpar compared to bookshelf speakers, but it does sound different. Most bars are designed to reproduce movie soundtracks from dvd and blu ray and sound from tv shows. That they also do music is a plus, but it's not their priority. Bookshelf speakers are more or less designed to reproduce music, but nowadays they also do tv and film. You could look for a used or refurbished receiver but you will still need speakers. A receiver will let you play music at a higher volume as long as you get speakers that can handle the load. And you could run your tv sound thru the receiver as well. If you live near a Target, Best Buy or Walmart store you could check out sound bars just to get an idea of how they sound.
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Maybe look at some powered speakers like these: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_i...seq=1&format=2
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Please don't buy a soundbar - those things sound terrible and are overpriced - a $100 AVR with $100 bookshelf speakers will blow away any $500 soundbar. These things are for people that want a certain look, don't care how it really sounds, and have a lot of money to spend.

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I am looking at getting a new sound system mostly for the purpose of listening to music. I am currently using laptop speakers, which are not the best. I would also like to use this same system for my TV ... I do have a low budget, being only able to spend around $200 for a total system, the lower the better... I am not looking for surround sound, just better quality listening. My listening area is about 5-10 feet away with a wall behind me, but the room is somewhat large and open to the one side.
If you want to connect several audio inputs (phone, computer, etc) and the TV (optical) you need a device with several analog inputs and at least one Toslink optical input - the cheapest and best way to get this is an AVR. The Lepai amp has neither of these - no selector between the "two inputs" and you would need an optical to RCA converter (FIIO D03K Digital to Analog Audio Converter). For an AVR you could buy used, refurbished w/ factory warranty, or new on sale / closeout to reduce the price - you don't need the latest and greatest. Add a pair of book shelf speakers and you have a multi-input audio system with remote control volume with good sound that will destroy any soundbar at 3 times the price. You can add a subwoofer down the road when budget allows.

DENON AVR-E200 5.1 Channel 3D Home Theater Receiver - $109

The Dayton Audio bookshelf speakers are the best bargain out there - if you decide on these buy them from Parts Express and read all the reviews - some owners tell you how to make the speakers sound better from adding more poly fill (a couple of dollars) to replacing the crossover capacitor on the tweeter with a better one (also a few dollars - only if you are good at soldering).
Dayton Audio B652 6-1/2" 2-Way Bookshelf Speaker Pair - $35 free ship

Or better speakers - look for a deal on these (I don't see any real bargains right now) to bring your AVR + Speaker to less than $200
Polk Audio Monitor 35B Compact Bookshelf Speakers (Pair, Black) - $129 +$15 ship

These sound better and a lot more bass but, again, wait for a sale to bring your total below $200
Polk Audio Monitor Series New Monitor 45B Two-Way Bookshelf Loudspeaker (Black) Pair - $180 free ship

Then you can add a sub later. The lowest cost sub typically recommended by most on AVS is the Dayton 12" SUB-1200
Dayton Audio SUB-1200 12" 120 Watt Powered Subwoofer - $129 free ship

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From my research I presume I should look for a 2.1 system, but I am not sure if a sound bar would be better than getting a pair of computer or bookshelf speakers?
The Creative speakers you mentioned (Creative GigaWorks T20 Series II 2.0 Multimedia Speaker System) are OK but their big brothers sound better for not much more: Creative GigaWorks T40 Series II 2.0 Multimedia Speaker System

But if you are going to spend your budget on powered computer speakers you could do better with bigger "powered monitors" from M-Audio or AudioEngine - these sound really good and are room filling sound but again have no optical input or remote control for volume for the TV:

M-Audio Studiophile AV 40 Active Studio Monitor Speakers - $119

Or these - they sound a lot better and have more bass but are out of your price range:
M-Audio BX5 D2 5" Active 2-Way Studio Monitor Speakers - $299

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I believe my T.V only has an optical digital audio output, I don't see any other output options other an auxiliary jack. What is the better way to run audio out?
That is the only way on most TVs these days that don't have RCA jacks or a 3.5mm (headphone jack) for audio out and a menu selection for "variable audio out" - what this means is that you will lose remote control volume of your TV - the optical out doesn't follow the TV volume and you would have to set the volume on the amp - an AVR will have remote volume whereas other amps may not.

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A sound bar doesn't necessarily sound subpar compared to bookshelf speakers, but it does sound different. Most bars are designed to reproduce movie soundtracks from dvd and blu ray and sound from tv shows. That they also do music is a plus, but it's not their priority. Bookshelf speakers are more or less designed to reproduce music, but nowadays they also do tv and film. You could look for a used or refurbished receiver but you will still need speakers. A receiver will let you play music at a higher volume as long as you get speakers that can handle the load. And you could run your tv sound thru the receiver as well. If you live near a Target, Best Buy or Walmart store you could check out sound bars just to get an idea of how they sound.
I totally disagree - good sound is good sound - regardless if it is a TV program, a movie soundtrack, or music.

The reason that low priced soundbars (that means less than $500 for soundbars!!) sound different is that they sound bad - period. The "low priced" ones have no low bass, but even worse they have no mid-bass so the sound is tinny and hollow - not full and rich. All you have to do is go listen to a soundbar store demo and listen to them one after another (I just did this). Keep increasing the price until you get nice, "full" sound - when I did this the cheapest soundbar I found with acceptable sound was the Polk Audio AM9500-A Surround Bar with sub - $675 free ship. That is a lot of money for a soundbar - a system that cannot be expanded.

A $300 system with AVR and 2.1 speaker system ($100 AVR, $70 Bookshelf speakers, $130 Powered Sub) will blow away any soundbar at three times the price and is expandable in the future - and you can add the sub later when budget permits making the starter system (just AVR and bookshelf speakers) below $200.

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Thanks Acebreathe,

Hmm, I have been skeptical about the soundbars from the begining. I think for the moment I am going to pursue a decent receiver.

Thanks Manic1!,

I have heard some not so good things about the quality of monoprice speakers. Even though I have been happy with a number of their products. I would rather have something I can upgrade or add to down the road.

Thanks mtn-tech,

Really appreciate the thorough response! In the beginning of my search for better speakers I had heard that the cheaper receivers really aren't worth it, but now I really don't see why. I think a decent receiver is exactly what I am looking for.

The DENON E200 looks like a great deal! The only thing is I am trying to purchase the equipment from amazon as I have a fair amount of amazon credit to spend. I am not completely adverse to purchasing from another site/store I would just like to see if amazon has any comparable offers.

I looked around a bit (granted very little experience, have never used an AVR), but here's what I found any input on these?

Stereo receivers:
http://www.amazon.com/Sherwood-RX-41...ords=receivers
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX8020-T...ords=receivers
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Natural...ords=receivers

5.1 receivers:
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR313...ords=receivers
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-E200...ords=receivers

All I think I need is a stereo receiver, I really don't plan to upgrade to a 5.1 system anytime soon. I would think for the price range I would get better quality as just a 2.0? Are any of these better or worse than the others? I would really prefer it to be under $150 and then I figured I could match a pair of speakers to what ever receiver I end up with.

To reiterate, audio will mostly be coming from computer/phone and then the TV/PS4 (less priority). I don't HAVE to have an input for each audio source, but it would be nice.

Thanks for all of your help, I would seriously be lost without it
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In the beginning of my search for better speakers I had heard that the cheaper receivers really aren't worth it, but now I really don't see why. I think a decent receiver is exactly what I am looking for.

The DENON E200 looks like a great deal! The only thing is I am trying to purchase the equipment from amazon as I have a fair amount of amazon credit to spend. I am not completely adverse to purchasing from another site/store I would just like to see if amazon has any comparable offers.

All I think I need is a stereo receiver, I really don't plan to upgrade to a 5.1 system anytime soon. I would think for the price range I would get better quality as just a 2.0? Are any of these better or worse than the others? I would really prefer it to be under $150 and then I figured I could match a pair of speakers to what ever receiver I end up with.

To reiterate, audio will mostly be coming from computer/phone and then the TV/PS4 (less priority). I don't HAVE to have an input for each audio source, but it would be nice.
I agree, all you really need is a stereo receiver but there are several features that I don't see in those low end stereo receivers that you will probably want. Problem is that very few people buy stereo receivers and the volume is low, the high volume sales of AVRs allows prices to be lower even with more features and amplifiers. The amplifiers are just as good and the power supply is actually better (to power all 5 or 7 channels. I would still recommend Denon.

Many AV receivers have these features not in low cost stereo receivers:

- Bass management
- Optical / Coax digital inputs
- HDMI inputs (for high res music from Blu-Ray)
- USB input (from computer)
- Network input (direct play of computer files)

Audio from most TVs is only available via digital audio (Optical / Coax) or HDMI (ARC audio return channel)

Bass management is especially important when using bookshelf speakers - it removes low bass from small mid-range drivers - it allows them to better reproduce the frequencies they are designed for and blocks low bass that use a lot of the available power that they cannot reproduce.

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I agree, all you really need is a stereo receiver but there are several features that I don't see in those low end stereo receivers that you will probably want. Problem is that very few people buy stereo receivers and the volume is low, the high volume sales of AVRs allows prices to be lower even with more features and amplifiers. The amplifiers are just as good and the power supply is actually better (to power all 5 or 7 channels. I would still recommend Denon.

Many AV receivers have these features not in low cost stereo receivers:

- Bass management
- Optical / Coax digital inputs
- HDMI inputs (for high res music from Blu-Ray)
- USB input (from computer)
- Network input (direct play of computer files)

Audio from most TVs is only available via digital audio (Optical / Coax) or HDMI (ARC audio return channel)

Bass management is especially important when using bookshelf speakers - it removes low bass from small mid-range drivers - it allows them to better reproduce the frequencies they are designed for and blocks low bass that use a lot of the available power that they cannot reproduce.

Thank you!
Interesting I didn't even consider that those units would not be able to adjust the bass etc.. I thought that is standard.

The Denon E200 looks good, but I am concerned about it being a refurbished model and I don't know how reputable A4L website is... I looked around an did find a used one on ebay for $80. Do you think that's a better deal? I know used or refurb may come with problems, but I feel like if the used one works well it is less likely to fail than a refurb? I could be way off, but I haven't had the best luck with refurbished computers in the past.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/141382368929

EDIT: I also found the E200 new for around $150.

If I end up buying the Denon E200, what bookshelf speakers do you recommend? Or what should I look for?

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Interesting I didn't even consider that those units would not be able to adjust the bass etc.. I thought that is standard.

The Denon E200 looks good, but I am concerned about it being a refurbished model and I don't know how reputable A4L website is... I looked around an did find a used one on ebay for $80. Do you think that's a better deal? I know used or refurb may come with problems, but I feel like if the used one works well it is less likely to fail than a refurb? I could be way off, but I haven't had the best luck with refurbished computers in the past.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/141382368929

EDIT: I also found the E200 new for around $150.

If I end up buying the Denon E200, what bookshelf speakers do you recommend? Or what should I look for?
The big difference between refurb and used is that the refurb normally has a manufacturers warranty. In looking at the two 5.1 models you linked the biggest difference I could see is the Onkyo has a USB port for an ipad iphone ipod. I like Denon better but to get USB connectivity on a Denon in that line you have to go up one model to 249. But you would get airplay too which could be useful to you with your ipad. and it does networking which would be useful for Spotify and Pandora. Also the model E200 linked has been discontinued. How were you planning to get the sound from your computer to the receiver? One other thing about HDMI: if you ever consider getting an AppleTV or Amazon FireTV or one of the Roku's you would need HDMI. Also if you can wait another month or so the new line of receivers from Denon Pioneer etc come out and the prices on current stock may drop to your level giving you a better deal with more features. You really should try to get out to a store and see and hear some of these things for yourself since you will be living with them.
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The big difference between refurb and used is that the refurb normally has a manufacturers warranty. In looking at the two 5.1 models you linked the biggest difference I could see is the Onkyo has a USB port for an ipad iphone ipod. I like Denon better but to get USB connectivity on a Denon in that line you have to go up one model to 249. But you would get airplay too which could be useful to you with your ipad. and it does networking which would be useful for Spotify and Pandora. Also the model E200 linked has been discontinued. How were you planning to get the sound from your computer to the receiver? One other thing about HDMI: if you ever consider getting an AppleTV or Amazon FireTV or one of the Roku's you would need HDMI. Also if you can wait another month or so the new line of receivers from Denon Pioneer etc come out and the prices on current stock may drop to your level giving you a better deal with more features. You really should try to get out to a store and see and hear some of these things for yourself since you will be living with them.
Thanks!

I haven't really thought about how I'd connect my computer. Can it connect to a receiver using HDMI? The USB functionality would be a nice plus!

You say the prices may go down when next models come out. Does that normally happen the beginning of the year? Black Friday is also coming up, I don't know if they typically have AV equipment on sale though.

I have looked around Best Buy, Target, and Walmart and really have not seen anything I have been looking for other than sound bars. I'm not sure where else has sound equipment I'll try and look around.
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I haven't really thought about how I'd connect my computer. Can it connect to a receiver using HDMI? The USB functionality would be a nice plus!

You say the prices may go down when next models come out. Does that normally happen the beginning of the year? Black Friday is also coming up, I don't know if they typically have AV equipment on sale though.

I have looked around Best Buy, Target, and Walmart and really have not seen anything I have been looking for other than sound bars. I'm not sure where else has sound equipment I'll try and look around.
Yes it can connect thru HDMI. New models are normally out late Sept. early Oct. USB is nice to have for a variety of reasons. I'm surprised you didn't find any receivers in Best Buy. The two near me have a boatload in various price points. Black Friday has AV equipment on sale just not usually anything real good. I don't know where you live but if Best Buy has nothing try someplace that is dedicated to home audio or advertises home theater. They will be more expensive but it doesn't hurt to look. If you can listen to something even better then go home and look the model up on line and do some research. Don't let anyone pressure you in to something you're not comfortable with.
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You can connect your computer with the "line out" 3.5mm jack on the back of the computer through a 3.5mm to RCA adapter cable to the AVR's RCA inputs. This may be an acceptable connection or it may be noisy - depending on your PC's sound card. If your computer had optical digital audio out that would be better and obviously USB is an option if the AVR you select has that capability.

For speakers, the Dayton bookshelf speakers would be a lot better than the powered PC speakers you currently have. If you are ready to spend around $100 to $150 per pair, there are literally hundreds of speakers that you could get - you would need to listen to them and decide what type of speaker "sound" you like - or you could just look for a great deal, read some reviews to make sure they are decent, and take the plunge without having ever listened to them - I've done this a couple of times - sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.

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Hey everyone thanks for all your help. Finally, I have some money to make this happen. I have seen some sales with Black Friday around the corner and have a question.

I can get the refurbished Denon E200 for $129 or the refurbished e300 for $150. Between the two the e300 seems like a much better deal for what I get. Is this a great deal I should jump on or is there a better option for avr at the time?

To recap a bit I would like to build a 2.1 setup with some sort of bookshelf speakers like the Daytons or better. I will be using this mostly for music but will connect the whole system to tv and ps4 as well.

The one problem I have thought is I'm not sure if the avr is powerful enough because the install room is quite open will the two speakers be enough?

Any help or ideas is appreciated!
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I agree with @acebreathe . The Yamaha Soundbar has great quality for what you're paying and isn't ridiculously overpriced. Highly recommend it!
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Hey everyone thanks for all your help. Finally, I have some money to make this happen. I have seen some sales with Black Friday around the corner and have a question.

I can get the refurbished Denon E200 for $129 or the refurbished e300 for $150. Between the two the e300 seems like a much better deal for what I get. Is this a great deal I should jump on or is there a better option for avr at the time?

To recap a bit I would like to build a 2.1 setup with some sort of bookshelf speakers like the Daytons or better. I will be using this mostly for music but will connect the whole system to tv and ps4 as well.

The one problem I have thought is I'm not sure if the avr is powerful enough because the install room is quite open will the two speakers be enough?

Any help or ideas is appreciated!
Either one of those receivers should be fine for what you want to use it for. Both are powerful enough to drive speakers but I have no idea how big the room is or how big those speakers sound.
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Either one of those receivers should be fine for what you want to use it for. Both are powerful enough to drive speakers but I have no idea how big the room is or how big those speakers sound.
Would you say the E300 is worth an extra $30? I figured it would be, but I am not sure if things like Audyssey or DLNA support really make a difference.

My room is about 400 to 500 square feet, but the majority of the time I would be within 10 feet of the speakers. It's sort of a great room in an "L" shape.

Thanks!
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The amplifiers are just as good and the power supply is actually better (to power all 5 or 7 channels.
This may be an acceptable connection or it may be noisy - depending on your PC's sound card.
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I appreciate your response!

I agree the cnet idea looks like a good deal. The only thing I am concerned about is it won't be loud enough as it is a pretty tiny amp. Will the limiting factor be the amp? Would this be a better choice?

http://www.amazon.com/microFidelity-...XX4945M08HYCE0


How would this compare?

http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-YAS-101...amaha+soundbar

Can both of these options work well if I add a powered sub without any extra accessories?

Thanks!

I had the Yamaha and it was quite loud and clear compared to the Polk Audio 3000 setup I setup for someone.

I think the Yamaha is on sale at Costco
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Would you say the E300 is worth an extra $30? I figured it would be, but I am not sure if things like Audyssey or DLNA support really make a difference.

My room is about 400 to 500 square feet, but the majority of the time I would be within 10 feet of the speakers. It's sort of a great room in an "L" shape.

Thanks!
400-500 that's a difference of 100 feet which is big but if you are going to be within ten feet of the speakers you should be fine. Audyssey is a nice feature that helps you set up your listening area and will be more useful if and when you add more speakers. DLNA pertains mainly to streaming and it will work with other pieces of equipment that are DLNA certified. Nice to have but no biggie if you don't have it. If you are getting those two upgrades for only thirty bucks more I would go for it.
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Here is my story.
Over the years, I bought a top of the line Sony stereo system with 4 separate components, a Samsung 5.1 Home Theater system, and a Samsung sound bar with wireless subwoofer.
My conclusion was that none of these systems overcome the problem of having wires all over the place and speakers on the floor.
This time, after buying our 75" TV, I decided to try something much cleaner and I bought a Zvox 555 soundbase. It is connected to my TV via optical cable and to my stereo amp via a digital cable. I paid $199 for it which was a great deal.
The sound of the TV, Bluray and CD player/FM radio is excellent, and there's no very noticeable degradation in quality compared to the stuff I bought before.
No more wires, no more speakers on the floor or on the walls, it's a very clean installation.
I'm happy.
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This time, after buying our 75" TV, I decided to try something much cleaner and I bought a Zvox 555 soundbase. It is connected to my TV via optical cable and to my stereo amp via a digital cable. I paid $199 for it which was a great deal.
These "sound bases" have better sound than sound bars but are no match for "real speakers". But if you are going that way, the Zvox is certainly one of the best.

The OP is looking for connectivity that only an AVR is going to give, so I would still recommend a low cost AVR and bookshelf speakers - as you say there are some amazing Black Friday deals out there right now - check out the Polk Monitor 40 for $120 at NEWEGG.COM - these with an AVR will embarrass ANY sound bar or sound base at even twice the cost - and only two little speaker wires.

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