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Fraunhofer IIS Pulls the Plug on MP3

This lossy compression scheme changed the face of music forever, but it's time has passed. RIP MP3.

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Not my preferred way to listen to music, but MP3 does deserve credit where credit is due revolutionizing the way the masses took their music with them on the go.
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Hopefully FLAC will be around a while, spent many many hours ripping all my CDs to FLAC files...
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Kind of crazy, it's been 20 years since the good old days of encoding mp3s with LAME and playing through Winamp.
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Good riddance to the format that consumer-ized audio and changed 2+ generations of resolution appreciation that may never be corrected.

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Interesting corporate spin. MP3 is "dead" because we don't have to pay patent royalties any more.
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Interesting corporate spin. MP3 is "dead" because we don't have to pay patent royalties any more.
Good point. Rather than dead, MP3 encoding and decoding is now free and in the public domain. That makes it more alive than ever.
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Didn't the MP3 kill the music industry?

Good riddance.
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Good riddance to the format that consumer-ized audio and changed 2+ generations of resolution appreciation that may never be corrected.
Someone who gets it. Most folks have no idea what good quality sound reproduction is because they have never heard it. Watching TV on a 3x5 iphone screen, listening to MP3, every idea reduced to 140 characters ... this is our legacy to our children. UGH.
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Someone who gets it. Most folks have no idea what good quality sound reproduction is because they have never heard it. Watching TV on a 3x5 iphone screen, listening to MP3, every idea reduced to 140 characters ... this is our legacy to our children. UGH.
Couldn't agree more. Does this mean iTunes will change the formats it offers for its library?
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Ridiculous! It's not like all of a sudden it's going to disappear. like someone already said, it's more alive than ever. It will be even more readily available and may even become more dominant. Most of the pop music that the discerning public listens to is just as compressed on CDs as it is in MP3. I for one don't hear any difference whatsoever between CDs and high bit rate MP3, or any other compressed format.
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Ridiculous! It's not like all of a sudden it's going to disappear. like someone already said, it's more alive than ever. It will be even more readily available and may even become more dominant. Most of the pop music that the discerning public listens to is just as compressed on CDs as it is in MP3. I for one don't hear any difference whatsoever between CDs and high bit rate MP3, or any other compressed format.
That isn't the same type of compression you're confusing dynamic range compression with data rate compression.
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Didn't the MP3 kill the music industry?

Good riddance.
Untalented artist did. Long live the 70s/80s
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That isn't the same type of compression you're confusing dynamic range compression with data rate compression.
No, I know, but the SQ suffers just the same- in different respect as it may be, it still goes to show, the majority don't notice it.

Like I mentioned in a different thread, although the quality is important, there is a lot of subjectivity involved here- I grew up listening to my music off of AM broadcast on transistor radio, now I have over $10,000 invested in my audio system and I still cannot recapture the joy I had listening to that transistor radio, even when listening to the music from back then, and no, I still have great hearing and can easily hear over 16khz.
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It's not dead!


The patents expired so the company with the patents formally announced the end of licensing .... since it is not something anyone has to pay for anymore.


As for the MP3 hating. I have compressed music and 99% of the time I can not hear any difference. On rare occasion MP3 compression will remove subtle nuances for the sake of compression.


The thing is, this is 20 year old tech and more than one study has been done. The verdict is that audiophiles can not typically tell the difference between MP3 and CD quality.


Having said this, remember that bandwidth was much different 20 years ago as was hard drive space. MP3s definitely had a role in this world in terms of being a cost effective storage and transmission medium for high quality audio on the internet.


There is no reason to use lossless compression like FLAC going forward but we should move to lossless. The bigger issue is the compression schemes used by streaming services like Pandora and Google music and the need for cell companies to improve bandwidth and continually increase data caps.
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No, I know, but the SQ suffers just the same- in different respect as it may be, it still goes to show, the majority don't notice it.

Like I mentioned in a different thread, although the quality is important, there is a lot of subjectivity involved here- I grew up listening to my music off of AM broadcast on transistor radio, now I have over $10,000 invested in my audio system and I still cannot recapture the joy I had listening to that transistor radio, even when listening to the music from back then, and no, I still have great hearing and can easily hear over 16khz.
It really depends greatly on how the compression is used it can be very very subtle and add a lot to the recording, compression in many ways is the sound of rock.
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Someone needs to change the thread title. A more accurate title would be:

"Fraunhofer opens the mp3 floodgates by allowing anyone to use mp3 codecs for free, for the first time, ever."

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Sorry, unrelated to the actual topic, but when I clicked on the link leading to this article from Facebook, it came up with a page saying that Chrome was out of date (it isn't) and to "click here to update" it, while also automatically downloading a malicious java script file. Not cool. I am even running Chrome with an ad blocker, so I am not sure how this came through the website.
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So... the patent expired? Also, since when has it cost consumers money to convert to MP3? Pretty sure conversion software has been free since I bought my first 2X CD-ROM drive.
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Didn't the MP3 kill the music industry?

Good riddance.
The music industry is dead ?

Really ?
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Someone needs to change the thread title. A more accurate title would be:

"Fraunhofer unless the mp3 floodgates by allowing anyone to use mp3 codecs for free, for the first time, ever."
"unless" ???
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Sorry, unrelated to the actual topic, but when I clicked on the link leading to this article from Facebook, it came up with a page saying that Chrome was out of date (it isn't) and to "click here to update" it, while also automatically downloading a malicious java script file. Not cool. I am even running Chrome with an ad blocker, so I am not sure how this came through the website.
Saw the same thing. Ignored it.

Scott, please fix this: clueless users will get infected !
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So... the patent expired? Also, since when has it cost consumers money to convert to MP3? Pretty sure conversion software has been free since I bought my first 2X CD-ROM drive.
Free for consumers, but not for software/hardware makers: they have to pay a license to incorporate the codec in their products.
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The music industry is dead ?

Really ?
So people are still buying music?

Thats so good to know..

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So people are still buying music?

Thats so good to know..
Huh, yeah: people are still buying music.

And streaming.

And subscribing to music services.

And going to concerts.

That, my friend, is the music industry: very much alive.
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Huh, yeah: people are still buying music.

And streaming.

And subscribing to music services.

And going to concerts.

That, my friend, is the music industry: very much alive.
Very much alive?

Maybe for 3 or 4 artist.
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