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The DRC-88A seems a peculiar beast. Analog I/O only?
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Dirac seems pretty cool, except for the price!
Please let us know your findings with it.

My old Sherwood 972 that I just recently sold had the Trinnov Processor.

The IMPLIED reasoning behind these processes are that you will LIKE the flat response that they give.
I did not care for the flat Trinnov Curve, so the guys at Trinnov gave me a bunch of other curves to try.

That was sort of cool, however, I found that by simply using my remotely controlled bass and treble controls, I could pretty much get the sound I wanted, as long as the bass room peaks were flattened.

I had HDMI Issues with my Sherwood 972
So, I sent it on it's way, with much sadness.

With my old Yamaha RX V 2700, and just it's Parametric Equalizer, even W/O a calibration Mike to use the YPAO, I have flattened my main bass room peak, using just the parametric equalizer, and an SPL Meter with a test CD.

Then, I use my remotely controlled bass and treble controls, to get my "curve".

I have an old small amplifier, and the silkscreened brand logo has come off of it. I think I am gonna have the words "TACT Room Correcter" silk screened onto it, and stick it in my rack.

Then, I shall invite a few of my audio snob buddies over, to "Hear the TACT"

And, as soon as one says "See, I told you that good room correction works", I am gonna spring the truth on them
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WTF is Dirac ?
Dirac and Trinnov seem to be the top of the heap in this regard these days.
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Dirac and Trinnov seem to be the top of the heap in this regard these days.
Yes, I did the Trinnov dance, and it does offer some really crazy features, like spatial remapping, so u can have a center speaker in the ceiling, and Trinnov will make it sound like it is really centered with your TV.

The good people at Trinnov gave me several really cool curves for free. It was really too bad about the HDMI Issues I had with the Sherwood 972.
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Yes, I did the Trinnov dance, and it does offer some really crazy features, like spatial remapping, so u can have a center speaker in the ceiling, and Trinnov will make it sound like it is really centered with your TV.

The good people at Trinnov gave me several really cool curves for free. It was really too bad about the HDMI Issues I had with the Sherwood 972.
Yeah, the Trinnov Altitude series is priced a bit differently ....that Sherwood was tempting at one point except for the bugginess I kept reading about.
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Yeah, the Trinnov Altitude series is priced a bit differently ....that Sherwood was tempting at one point except for the bugginess I kept reading about.
Actually, the very last firmware update helped a lot of the HDMI issues, but not me!
That was a very nice sounding receiver, even in 2 channel w/o any Trinnov.
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Yes, I did the Trinnov dance, and it does offer some really crazy features, like spatial remapping, so u can have a center speaker in the ceiling, and Trinnov will make it sound like it is really centered with your TV.



The good people at Trinnov gave me several really cool curves for free. It was really too bad about the HDMI Issues I had with the Sherwood 972.

Cool thing about Dirac Live on the 88A is that you can create an unlimited number of target curves and store up to four at a time. It is analog only. Goes between pre/pro and amps. I find it amazing.
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Cool thing about Dirac Live on the 88A is that you can create an unlimited number of target curves and store up to four at a time. It is analog only. Goes between pre/pro and amps. I find it amazing.
I just don't get why on earth they would hobble it that way. Why not have digital in/out?
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I just don't get why on earth they would hobble it that way. Why not have digital in/out?
I thought the same thing. My old friend Albert Von Schweikert who makes speakers once told me that as long as EQ etc was all done while the signal was in the digital domain, he could hear no degradation.
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IMHO, Pioneer's MCACC System wins this argument, because not only can you adjust it, but you can also create and store 6 different curves that YOU created.

The day that Audyssey offers the level of Tweakability that Advanced MCACC does, I will consider it. Until then, why have any room corrections system that imposes it's will on you, with no way to adjust it ?

Do you not trust your own ears ?
Wow, since I hadn't posted about this stuff in 6 years, I was surprised to see I was quoted at this point! I'm still using my Pioneer VSX-1.
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I just don't get why on earth they would hobble it that way. Why not have digital in/out?

Because it's an external box and it doesn't decode or anything. They have one with HDMI in/out, but the analog is more flexible. 8-channel preouts to 88A. A/D/A with digital processing in box, and analog outs to amps. Sounds great.
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Because it's an external box and it doesn't decode or anything. They have one with HDMI in/out, but the analog is more flexible. 8-channel preouts to 88A. A/D/A with digital processing in box, and analog outs to amps. Sounds great.
Anyone know what Harman Kardon has been up to, as far as room correction goes, these days ?
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Because it's an external box and it doesn't decode or anything. They have one with HDMI in/out, but the analog is more flexible. 8-channel preouts to 88A. A/D/A with digital processing in box, and analog outs to amps. Sounds great.

All that does is make it back compatible with older, pure analog systems.

It's kind of silly NOT to keep it all digital. It may not be 'decoding' but it is most certainly applying serious DSP to the signal.
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All that does is make it back compatible with older, pure analog systems.



It's kind of silly NOT to keep it all digital. It may not be 'decoding' but it is most certainly applying serious DSP to the signal.

They sell the nanoAVR DL that has two HDMI inputs. It only accepts decoded LPCM. Not sure why you think it's silly not to keep it all digital. How could an all digital external box work with all sources and codecs? Where would it fit in the chain?
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I just don't get why on earth they would hobble it that way. Why not have digital in/out?
Got an AVR or PrePro with digital outs? And a power amp with digital ins?

Me neither.
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They sell the nanoAVR DL that has two HDMI inputs. It only accepts decoded LPCM. Not sure why you think it's silly not to keep it all digital. How could an all digital external box work with all sources and codecs? Where would it fit in the chain?
Because , as you note, you could output the decoded audio from the preamp digitally as LPCM, into your digital external box.

What is it people think happens in AVRs? Lossy and lossless formats are decoded to PCM, then DSP is applied in the digital domain. Then output to 6 amplification channels.

That couldn't happen with separates?

I understand having analog connectivity as a thing nice for legacy hardware. But it appears from other testimony on this thread that preamps with HDMI out and amps with HDMI in are simply rare birds even now. I had no idea the separates field was still so primitive. I feel for you guys.
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