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Hey guys,

I am trying to find a set of good cables but don't wanna pay for marketing, just for quality. Here is what I need:

- 3 * 3' Digital coax cables
- 25' Subwoofer cable
- 2 @ 25' Speaker cables
- 1 HDMI-to-HDMI cable
- 2 * 6' Component cables

So far I've found monoprice and blue jeans cable as my choices. Blue Jeans is much more expensive (60% more), but I am not sure about monoprice quality and if it's as good as Blue Jeans Cables. Both are WAY CHEAPER than Monster or similar retail cables.

Any opinions? Is monoprice just as good, in other words, is it worth paying 60% more for bluejeans cables?

Thanks and sorry if this was asked before...

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I've never used Blue Jeans, but I can say that Monoprice cables seem to be excellent quality and do the job. One of their cables I ordered was so thick I had a problem getting it around a sharp bend!

(I know, I know, thickness doesn't mean quality. I'm just making a comment.)
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Hey guys,

I am trying to find a set of good cables but don't wanna pay for marketing, just for quality. Here is what I need:

- 3 * 3' Digital coax cables
- 25' Subwoofer cable
- 2 @ 25' Speaker cables
- 1 HDMI-to-HDMI cable
- 2 * 6' Component cables

So far I've found monoprice and blue jeans cable as my choices. Blue Jeans is much more expensive (60% more), but I am not sure about monoprice quality and if it's as good as Blue Jeans Cables. Both are WAY CHEAPER than Monster or similar retail cables.

Any opinions? Is monoprice just as good, in other words, is it worth paying 60% more for bluejeans cables?

Thanks and sorry if this was asked before...

Depends on what you mean by "just as good" - whether or not it's "worth it" is up to you.

If your real question is whether or not you see or hear a difference, IMO, the answer is probably not.

However, if knowing your cables are made with top notch wire stock (Belden or Canare) and top notch connectors (Canare) gives you peace of mind or some other kind of warm and fuzzy, then IMO, it is worth the extra $.

When one spends a fair pile of $ on gear, I guess I find somewhat odd to use the cheapest possible connections. But, by that same token, I'm not a proponent of mega-buck cables. For me, Blue Jeans strikes a fair balance between cost and what I feel I'm getting for my $.

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I've been happy with Acoustic Research cables. They have several levels of each type of cable. I normally use their Pro or Pro II series.

There is no "best", best is what's best for you...

Have you tried searching first?
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Depends on what you mean by "just as good" - whether or not it's "worth it" is up to you.

If your real question is whether or not you see or hear a difference, IMO, the answer is probably not.

However, if knowing your cables are made with top notch wire stock (Belden or Canare) and top notch connectors (Canare) gives you peace of mind or some other kind of warm and fuzzy, then IMO, it is worth the extra $.

When one spends a fair pile of $ on gear, I guess I find somewhat odd to use the cheapest possible connections. But, by that same token, I'm not a proponent of mega-buck cables. For me, Blue Jeans strikes a fair balance between cost and what I feel I'm getting for my $.

well, what I mean by "just as good" is this:

1. I get no HUM in the subwoofer cable (25')
2. I get least amount of "noticable" signal loss in my speakers
3. I get no "noticable" video loss through HDMI
4. All connectors are solid and don't come off if I took em in and out
5. Component Video cable is TRUE 75ohm
6. Digital audio comes through with no hick-ups (have had cables that cut in and out)

So, if monoprice meets all of the above, then it should be fine.

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I like Blue Jeans Cable speaker cables and sub cable and use them in my system. I definitely notice a difference after switching to them.

While Blue Jeans also sells RCA interconnects, and digital and HDMI cables, for those I'm using Monoprice premium line cables, which are less money than Blue Jeans but seem pretty good nevertheless.
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The Monoprice cables do everything you need a cable to do....I happen to prefer the build quality/aesthetics/price relationship of the Blue Jeans though. Although the "premium" Monoprice cables are not much cheaper than BJ.
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The Monoprice cables do everything you need a cable to do....I happen to prefer the build quality/aesthetics/price relationship of the Blue Jeans though. Although the "premium" Monoprice cables are not much cheaper than BJ.

The biggest price difference is in Component cables where BJ is like 3 times more expensive!!! Is it worth that much more?

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What about DVIGear? Their price falls between monoprice and bluejeans... they are recommended cable vendor at Audioholics... any experience with them?

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The biggest price difference is in Component cables where BJ is like 3 times more expensive!!! Is it worth that much more?

You are not comparing apples to apples. The much cheaper Monoprice cables use thinner gauge wire and cheaper RCA connectors. Like I said, the Mprice cables pretty much do everything you need, but for me, the BJ cables represent a better overall combo of build/price. Plus their name is "BJ"....
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You are not comparing apples to apples. The much cheaper Monoprice cables use thinner gauge wire and cheaper RCA connectors.

Any comparisons/facts you can provide to back that up?
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I'm considering using a 25 foot cable through my attic to subwoofer in the back of the room. There's an ideal place to hide the large subwoofer there.
Has anyone had any experience, positive or negative, with such a set up (25 foot cable to sub)?
Thanks.
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Any comparisons/facts you can provide to back that up?


Are you implying the molded-on RCA connector on the inexpensive monoprice cables is equivalent in price to the Canare connector used on the BJC?

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For me, it matters most that Bluejeans usually has their stuff in stock, whereas monoprice always seem to be out of stock on exactly the particular cable I need.


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That's debatable... properly constructed and once installed. No audible or visual difference IMO. Are Canares preferred among "audiophiles"? Yes... those that want top of the line and can afford the added expense. I'd equate it to SUV's. they all provide the same funtionality ( IE. Explorer vs. Escalade).

As for the wire gauges...
Monoprice has RG59 or RG6. From what I can see, so does BJC. So, the wire gauges would be the same, right?
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I must assume that RG59 and RG6 would, out of necessity, be very similar in respective gauge regardless of who made it.

However, I took "the much cheaper" Monoprice cables as meaning the cheapest ones. If they are like the ones that come with some types of gear and from the website pictures they appear to be as such, there is no question the gauge is thinner and the connectors are less expensive than BJC. The premium Monoprice cables likely are an entirely different story, but are they much cheaper than a comparable BJC, or vice versa?

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No question about that, those MP cables are much less costly than the BJC cables.

I still prefer the Canare terminations though. I have had a few RCA jacks ruined (outer shell contact pulled off) by RCA plugs that were way too tight or somehow seized up on the jack. I just don't see that happening with the Canare plug so to me there is some value added - how much, of course, is purely subjective.

Your points are noted though.

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Ratman, I stand by my points above....Mprice isn't using the (very expensive) Canare connectors that I really like. Those significantly add to the cost. I said that the Mprice cables will do everything you need a cable to do, but FOR ME, the cost/build ratio of the BJ cables is more to my liking. What's there to argue about?

EDIT - I WAS wrong on the gauge, the Mprice do use RG-6. My apologies.
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Hey... to each their own. I personally can't justify almost 2 1/2 times the price for just for an RCA connector. Not an arguement at all.
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Ratman, I stand by my points above....Mprice isn't using the (very expensive) Canare connectors that I really like. Those significantly add to the cost. I said that the Mprice cables will do everything you need a cable to do, but FOR ME, the cost/build ratio of the BJ cables is more to my liking. What's there to argue about?

EDIT - I WAS wrong on the gauge, the Mprice do use RG-6. My apologies.

What is so special about Canare connectors? on their brochure they claim not all connectors are true 75ohm which results in problems, but not sure what kind of problems?

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There are no problems.

RCA connectors are not 75 Ohm (although there are some that "claim" to be or close to). And a 1/4 to 1/2 inch is not going to present any visible issues.

IMO... if it were such a major deficit... why wouldn't "all" video inputs/cables use F or BNC connectors?
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Not so much impedance problems, but when some other types of RCA plugs pull the RCA jacks apart on your vintage gear that you can't get parts for anymore (unless you find a used one), the added cost of the Canare is worth it, IMO.

The only way you are going to be convinced is to order a pair of each. Try them out, make your decision, and chalk up the relatively small cost as educational expense.

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RCA connectors are not 75 Ohm

You understand that that's mostly FUD, right?


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So, is this BS? http://www.bluejeanscable.com/pages/...canarercap.pdf

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So, is this BS? http://www.bluejeanscable.com/pages.../canarercap.pdf

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The only way you are going to be convinced one way or another is to order a pair of each, try them out and make your decision. Chalk up the relatively small cost as educational expense.

The merits of cables and connectors have been debated since the dawn of stereo gear and likely will be until it's demise.

So, either take the advice of those whos argument makes the most sense to you, or get a selection and make up your own mind.

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I'm considering using a 25 foot cable through my attic to subwoofer in the back of the room. There's an ideal place to hide the large subwoofer there.
Has anyone had any experience, positive or negative, with such a set up (25 foot cable to sub)?
Thanks.

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Use any 25' RG59 or RG6 cable. You'll be fine.
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The merits of cables and connectors have been debated since the dawn of stereo gear and likely will be until it's demise.

So, either take the advice of those whos argument makes the most sense to you, or get a selection and make up your own mind.

That is the best non-advice, advice I've ever had

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IMO... if it were such a major deficit... why wouldn't "all" video inputs/cables use F or BNC connectors?

They should! All pro video uses BNC connectors, because maintaining 75 ohm impedance DOES matter. It's unfortunate that some moron a few decades ago decided that RCA connectors should also be used for consumer video.

Obviously history has taught us nothing, as a whole new generation of morons decided to use twisted pair wiring to transmit high resolution video (HDMI). DUMB!
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