Originally Posted by Johnla
I currently have a Pioneer PRO-520HD Elite RPTV and a Pioneer PRO-111 Elite plasma, both calibrated by myself with CalMAN software. I also have had numerous different Sony direct view CRT's in the past. I also have a few smaller LCD sets right now, one is in the kitchen and one in a bedroom, and I absolutely hate the LCD sets! In fact even with my desktop PC, I still use a 21" CRT! Only my laptops have LCD. Any other questions about actual ownership?
That being said, for comparing the plasma to the RPTV, I like em both. For news and sports and sitcom type TV I kind of prefer the plasma. But for movies, I pretty much prefer the RPTV over the plasma. Do I have them in the same room, no I don't. The plasma is in a every day use living room setup, the RPTV is in a room that is more like a semi dedicated HT setup.
As for the black level tests, showing that the plasmas are still not up to levels that high end CRTs can achieve. I'm not even going to bother to try and look them up, they are out there, just look around. And if you also look, you will see that most of the tests praising the black levels of the Pioneer 9g plasmas, really only say that they had the best measured black level of any plasma set so far, and also that they were better than LCD in that also. In short, most of those "best ever" black level claims that you see in many tests and reviews of the 9g Pioneer Kuros, were in comparison only to what other flat panels measured at. I doubt that even a small percentage of those test/reviews, even had any sort of a CRT set available, let alone a really good one, that they could have measured to see what the old but good, CRT's could still do..
And BTW. Not saying you in particular, but rather for everyone.
Passing judgments as a fact, on how good or bad you think a TV actually is, just based on how they look to you in a retail store like BB or Magnolia, for anything other than only a rough comparison is kind of worthless. Usually comparing them in a environment like that, it only gives you a very basic idea of what a set can really look like. Between the stores lighting, which is more often than not, is a total disaster for any real critical judgments about a TV's actual picture quality. That and the fact that numerous people usually have also totally messed around with all the possible user assessable settings that the TV offers, and usually after they get done or tired of playing around with all the settings, they often don't leave them set in a good way either!
Yes they are still available, but not so easy to find. What there still is, it's pretty much mostly in the very ultra high end class now. But there are also a few people that specialize in re-gunned units w/warranty, on the used market place, that can be much more affordable. But owning a ceiling mount also CRT has it's own little quirks, that a lot of people probably would not put up with.
Oh and BTW. Seeing as you keep thinking 1080p is so superior to 1080i. With high end CRT projections system, that is also one of the rare ways you can get 1080p and not only 1080i. But guess what, with those 1080p capable CRT projectors, most usually recommend to run them at 1080i and not 1080p for the best picture!
If you want some info on whats available in reconditioned ceiling mount CRT Projectors, and also some general info, recommendations and comparisons of different brands and models. Try looking around at curtpalme.com
Oh really, it was not that long ago, that plasma sets used to be many times the price of a CRT based set of a similar size. It was only back in 2006, when first ever 1080p plasma set came out. It was the Pioneer 50inch FHD1, and it originally had a MSRP of $10K, as in ten thousand dollars! Now of course CRT's sets are pretty much history, and prices of the plasma sets have plummeted dramatically.
I really don't care much about how thin something can be made, that does nothing for better picture quality.
Plasma has great viewing angles, LCD's have horrible viewing angles, they certainly are not much better than a RPTV in that regard.
Hmmmm, um no, some of the last few years of HD CRT RPTV's sold, do in fact have digital inputs. And even if they don't, the simple addition of a $100 HDFury takes care of that.
As for 1080p over 1080i, you are pretty much making a big deal out of nothing with that. Very likely you could not tell the difference between the two. And don't even try to say that you can tell the difference when you are using any fixed pixel set, simply because a fixed pixel set can only display 1080p natively. And NO, don't even try to say you have, as upconversion from 1080i to 1080p is not the same thing.
BS, most of that stuff like local dimming for direct view sets, and automatic irises for LCD based projection setups, is done for only one reason, to better/to try and archive the black levels of CRT's. And as for longevity, I still have two old small Sony direct view color CRT's (a 17' & 15") that are probably at least 25 years old by now, and they both still work just fine. That is other than for the fact that also they need a digital channel conversion box if I want to watch anything that's off air.
As for brightness and white levels of LCD sets, no matter if they are LED based or even the more common non LED LCD's. All I can say is, if you like a lot of brightness and fake whites, then it's almost certain that a ISF calibration of your sets, will most likely disappoint you.
Again, you overrate what you think 1080p over 1080i actually brings to the mix.
And personally, I myself don't give a rats derriere about home networking with my TV. That is what actual computers are for! But than again, my MX-531 Escient Fireball along with 5 Sony 400disc DVD megachangers hooked up to it, not to mention the Escients own internal 500gb HD for storing music come very close to doing all that, but without the need for a computer, or even the need for a TV that supports networking.
Oh and BTW, as for 3D. You could do 3D with shutter glasses on CRT sets roughly 10 years ago, but at first it also would not even work with LED or DLP sets, only CRT based sets, later they get it to work with LCD & DLP. How do I know this, well I have owned those shutter glasses, and in the optional wireless version yet, (imagine that, not only shutter glasses ten years ago, but also a wireless option for them) and about a dozen or so 3D DVD's. In those DVD's, it's a wide range. They go from about 7 or 8 different Imax DVD's in 3D, to horror movies like "Camp Blood", "Hunting Season", Zombie Chronicles" all they way down to some really old B&W episodes of "Flash Gorden" and "Radar Men From the Moon" (otherwise know as Commando Cody) in 3D. All of this required nothing special for the TV, but it did require the a trigger box for transmitting the signal to the shutter glasses be placed on the output of the DVD player before it went to the TV. If you used wired shutter glasses, than they had to be plugged into the box. And I have a hunch, that in basic terms, this is pretty much how 3D is now working with the shutter glasses in all the new sets. The difference is, the sets are now also doing something as well.
Here is some info on the older shutter glasses, and also the older IMAX 3D DVD'shttp://www.stereo3d.com/3ddvd.htmhttp://www.mindflux.com.au/products/io-display/dvd.html
And because of that, the old CRT sets working with shutter glasses so long ago with special DVD's and a trigger box from the DVD player. I have no doubt that a HD CRT could in theory, also probably display Blu-ray 3D in 1080i with no problem, but the CRT with the lack of HDMI 1.4, probably completely kills any chance of it happening.
But I see this as no great loss, at least for me it's not. Because the 3D stuff is fine and fun at first, just like any new toy is. But after the newness wears off, the need for the shutter glasses pretty much kills if for something that would be a everyday use kind of thing.