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DisplaySearch: 6.6 million 3D TVs sold in Q3 2011 (27% growth), penetration reached 12%

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DisplaySearch reports that LCD 3D TV shipments reached 6.6 million units in Q3 2011 - a 27% increase compared to last year. 3D TV penetration reached 12%. The passive pattern retarder panel shipments grew 34% and active shutter TVs grew 23%. They say that downstream manufacturers and brands are continuously promoting 3D, and end-user awareness and interest are growing.

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75 Percent Of HUGO's Audience Is Choosing 3D.

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DisplaySearch: 6.6 million 3D TVs sold in Q3 2011 (27% growth), penetration reached 12%



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Lee,

That's confusing since the headline says 6.6 million "sold" during that period yet the story says "6.6" million "shipped". Can you confirm what that 6.6 million specifically refers to? That figure is also for the total to date though at first glance it could be mistaken as just this quarter, whereas the actual number for the quarter was 250,000 (again shipped or sold?)

Came across the following which also uses Display Search for information and which says shipments, sales and penetration were slower and that this holiday season retailers will be focusing not on 3D but large screen sets instead. From that article:

"For the first nine months of 2011, 3DTVs in North America accounted for only about 8.5% of total unit shipments, according to DisplaySearch. The firm cited consumers' unwillingness to pay any significant premium for 3D, and expects U.S. retailers to not heavily promote 3DTVs during the upcoming holiday-selling season. Rather, retailers will focus on larger screens sizes and "strong value pricing."

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That's confusing since the headline says 6.6 million "sold" during that period yet the story says "6.6" million "shipped". Can you confirm what that 6.6 million specifically refers to? That figure is also for the total to date though at first glance it could be mistaken as just this quarter, whereas the actual number for the quarter was 250,000 (again shipped or sold?)

Came across the following which also uses Display Search for information and which says shipments, sales and penetration were slower and that this holiday season retailers will be focusing not on 3D but large screen sets instead. From that article:

"For the first nine months of 2011, 3DTVs in North America accounted for only about 8.5% of total unit shipments, according to DisplaySearch. The firm cited consumers' unwillingness to pay any significant premium for 3D, and expects U.S. retailers to not heavily promote 3DTVs during the upcoming holiday-selling season. Rather, retailers will focus on larger screens sizes and "strong value pricing."

http://www.multichannel.com/article/...2011_Sales.php

Here is the story from DisplaySearch. They say SHIPPED while that website says "SOLD" - I would say shipped is correct:

http://www.displaysearch.com/cps/rde...w_in_q3_11.asp
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Here is the story from DisplaySearch. They say SHIPPED while that website says "SOLD" - I would say shipped is correct:

http://www.displaysearch.com/cps/rde...w_in_q3_11.asp

Thanks Lee.

That was a big mistake made by 3D Display Info. As we know, shipments are different than units sold.

Also, Display Search was less optomistic in that other article I attached, with the spokesman saying retailers were pushing big screen sets in lieu of 3D.
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It's the new "1080p TRUE BLU RAY" salespitch - Soon they'll go back to "It's flatter than flat", though I agree with most of the others - When you don't require glasses I'd considder buying it.. but personally I'm not all that into 3d
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Doesn't matter if you are into 3D or not, it's becoming an option on more TV's, even mid priced models. Most having a 3D set don't use the 3D mode for everything either. It just adds something more to the viewing experience (movies, sports, gaming) that many are finding favorable... even those who didn't think they would like it. (Have you seen Avatar in 3D? What did you think of it?) As for the glasses, long time off before having glassless 3D, and there is a big difference in active vs. passive 3D glasses also.
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The wife and I are going to see Puss in Boots today at the Imax 3D theater.
I'm looking forward to it and I'll post my opinion on it when we get back.

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The wife and I are going to see Puss in Boots today at the Imax 3D theater.
I'm looking forward to it and I'll post my opinion on it when we get back.

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I hope you are bringing some children with you

Well, my wife can be pretty childish at times!

Seriously,
we seen Puss in Boots in Imax 3D and it was pretty good. The story was a little long, IMO, but I love Antonio Banderas & Salma Hayek together, even as a cartoon! The 3D was really good at times, but IMO, it seem blurry when there was a lot of fast action on the screen. Because of this, I would have rather seen it it 2D. I don't feel the 3D added that much to the movie. I liked the Transformers: Dark of the Moon in 3D much better than Puss in Boots.

Now my wife, on the other hand, really enjoyed the movie and loved the 3D. She was happy that we picked to see it in 3D. She said she enjoyed the depth that it had, specially in scenes that showed the landscape. She was not bother by any blurriness either.

I will say that Dreamworks animation of Puss was very, very good. His movements at times were very "cat" like and the care given to small details like his fur and facial expressions, pulled you into his character.

It was an enjoyable movie, not quite worth $20.00, (IMO), but it did make me laugh out loud a few times.

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Well, my wife can be pretty childish at times!

I'll tell her you SAID THAT
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Well, my wife can be pretty childish at times!

Seriously,
we seen Puss in Boots in Imax 3D and it was pretty good. The story was a little long, IMO, but I love Antonio Banderas & Salma Hayek together, even as a cartoon! The 3D was really good at times, but IMO, it seem blurry when there was a lot of fast action on the screen. Because of this, I would have rather seen it it 2D. I don't feel the 3D added that much to the movie. I liked the Transformers: Dark of the Moon in 3D much better than Puss in Boots.

Now my wife, on the other hand, really enjoyed the movie and loved the 3D. She was happy that we picked to see it in 3D. She said she enjoyed the depth that it had, specially in scenes that showed the landscape. She was not bother by any blurriness either.

I will say that Dreamworks animation of Puss was very, very good. His movements at times were very "cat" like and the care given to small details like his fur and facial expressions, pulled you into his character.

It was an enjoyable movie, not quite worth $20.00, (IMO), but it did make me laugh out loud a few times.

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Hi Gh,

So that was $40 for two tickets to a movie. Did you note how much it would have been for 2D?

..... but I won't tell your wife about being childish at times, after all, us husbands have to stick together on things like that in order to survive!
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Hi Gh,

So that was $40 for two tickets to a movie. Did you note how much it would have been for 2D?

..... but I won't tell your wife about being childish at times, after all, us husbands have to stick together on things like that in order to survive!

Joe, no, it was $19.50 for both tickets. I think the 2D would have been about $12.00 for both tickets. It's about a $3.00 premium per ticket for IMAX 3D.

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Joe, no, it was $19.50 for both tickets. I think the 2D would have been about $12.00 for both tickets. It's about a $3.00 premium per ticket for IMAX 3D.

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$9.75 per ticket for 3D? That's a bargain, even if it was a 10:00 AM Wednesday matinee and one got a senior citizen discount!
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$9.75 per ticket for 3D? That's a bargain, even if it was a 10:00 AM Wednesday matinee and one got a senior citizen discount!

Depends on where you live if that's a bargain. It's only 5 bucks to watch a movie where I live. And the quality is down right amazing. Only one I go to.
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Depends on where you live if that's a bargain. It's only 5 bucks to watch a movie where I live. And the quality is down right amazing. Only one I go to.

Well, I live in New York City which is all one needs to know about the cost of entertainment
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1. I am not Warren

2. I have a laugh Joe - the studies you don't like or don't fit your agenda - those are garbage, but the studies that you do like and do fit your agenda - those are spot on.

right on both counts there

You should read some of his posts from a year ago and see how " off " they were..in regard to where the current market is


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You are really going to have to make uo your mind as to which stance to take. In your previous post you specificaly said that not ALL - as in 100% of people have access to 3D content. NOW you are saying that not all people care about watching 3D.

You are arguing for the sake of arguing. No wonder people are calling you out.

like I said before
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99.99% speculation...and then a HUGE reluctance for document able detail

But..one would think it if they receive an e-mail when posts are made to this thread that they would be on top of their game


....as for receiving an e-mail when posts are made to this thread...
Seriously..??...LOL.....
Something that I still find both creepy and hilarious at the same time


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You shouldn't get flamed for a very well thought out and perceptive analysis. The word "fad" no longer applies since 3D is being incorporated as a feature in more and more sets. At the time of the poll, it was believed that 3D would only be a feature on the high tier models. It's more a question of how long it will take to penetrate households based on how long consumers plan to hold on to their reliable HD monitors. At that point, it's how much the popularity of the feature grows which will then compel broadcasters and cable providers to greatly expand the amount of programming available.

you should reread your posts from last year

you stated you thought it was going to be a niche product for videophones

would you agree with what you said a year ago?

I would say..IMO...they are inaccurate


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$9.75 per ticket for 3D? That's a bargain, even if it was a 10:00 AM Wednesday matinee and one got a senior citizen discount!

Don't forget Joe, I live in Louisville, KY. So it was the regular price for a matinee showing in IMAX 3D, no senior discount, yet...(Not that I wouldn't take it if I could get it.)

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Don't forget Joe, I live in Louisville, KY. So it was the regular price for a matinee showing in IMAX 3D, no senior discount, yet...(Not that I wouldn't take it if I could get it.)

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Suggest we all move to your neighborhood so we can afford more of those IMAX tickets - though I can think of one individual we could both do without.
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Suggest we all move to your neighborhood so we can afford more of those IMAX tickets - though I can think of one individual we could both do without.

that's a thought
one that would would allow you'll( I am a Texan) to live behind the technology curve

and as Lee stated...you can place what value your opinion gives you on surveys..as to what they REALLY mean

I think..based on the inaccuracy of statements made a year ago....create another poll and test it for accuracy a year from now on where the market is

Clearly...there was a major miss among some of the posters in this thread

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Taffy,
Just to clarify, did you see Avatar at home in 3D or at the theater, or both?
I only seen it in the theater and thought it was awesome 3D...IMO

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an interesting question from the person who I asked the same question...and you stated..."does it make a difference?"

seriously?

this thread gets better and better with inconsistency


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an interesting question from the person who I asked the same question...and you stated..."does it make a difference?"

seriously?

this thread gets better and better with inconsistency


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Warren, are you just dense?

The only reason I asked Taffy that question about Avatar, was because of all the crap YOU gave me because YOU felt I wasn't forthright in not stating that I had seen Avatar only in the theater.

Warren, I don't know what you do for a living, but with the way you take other people's words out of context, and then use them to misstate the whole intent of their post, you should be a politician.

One thing I will say, you do keep consistency in this thread. You consistency take other posters words and try to use them to attack that poster or his opinions. If the poster states an opinion without a link to back up what the poster post, you attack them for not having a credible source to back up what they posted, and if the poster does post a link, you search the link until you find a sentence that you can take and post, out of context, to attack the poster that way.

So see Warren, there is consistency in this thread. And we have you to thank for it!

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Warren, are you just dense?

The only reason I asked Taffy that question about Avatar, was because of all the crap YOU gave me because YOU felt I wasn't forthright in not stating that I had seen Avatar only in the theater.

Warren, I don't know what you do for a living, but with the way you take other people's words out of context, and then use them to misstate the whole intent of their post, you should be a politician.

One thing I will say, you do keep consistency in this thread. You consistency take other posters words and try to use them to attack that poster or his opinions. If the poster states an opinion without a link to back up what the poster post, you attack them for not having a credible source to back up what they posted, and if the poster does post a link, you search the link until you find a sentence that you can take and post, out of context, to attack the poster that way.

So see Warren, there is consistency in this thread. And we have you to thank for it!

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Hi Gh,

Thought he was on your ignore list so you didn't have to be aggrevated with such nonsense. He's on mine and unless someone quotes him in their own post, I don't have to be aggrevated by personal attacks either, especially considering the topic is only 3D television and we're not disagreeing about something that cause one's passion to be so rudely riled up like hunger, famine, poverty, the environment, health and, of couse, politics as you alude to.

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Thought he was on your ignore list so you didn't have to be aggrevated with such nonsense. He's on mine and unless someone quotes him in their own post, I don't have to be aggrevated by personal attacks either, especially considering the topic is only 3D television and we're not disagreeing about something that cause one's passion to be so rudely riled up like hunger, famine, poverty, the environment, health and, of couse, politics as you alude to.

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Joe,
The trouble with ignoring people like him is that others may start to think he's correct because there's never any rebuttal from the person who's post was quoted out of context. Opinions are one thing, but to use other people's words out of context and "spin" them to personally attack that person is wrong. I might not 100% agree with Lee at times, and we have had some small debates, but Lee has never taken my words out of context and then try to make me out an idiot or "inconsistent" in my postings.

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The trouble with ignoring people like him is that others may start to think he's correct because there's never any rebuttal from the person who's post was quoted out of context. Opinions are one thing, but to use other people's words out of context and "spin" them to personally attack that person is wrong. I might not 100% agree with Lee at times, and we have had some small debates, but Lee has never taken my words out of context and then try to make me out an idiot or "inconsistent" in my postings.

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Hi Gh,

I think most people in this group are both smart and considerate enough to see what type of individual Warren is. I am guessing he has still posted some harsh and insulting words about me while twisting and distorting what was said in my past and current posts that I am now unaware of since putting him on my ignore list.

I'm content sharing my thoughts and exchanging differences of opinions with others (who understand what common decency is regardless of which side of the fence they might be on) for his behavior obviously has nothing to do with the subject of 3D. These type of people are not worth wasting one's time with and are usually the ones who tie the nooses around their own necks.

Getting back to quotes purposely being distorted, I include attachments from reliable sources like the Wall Street Journal, the Financial Times and independent research firms which quote industry figures and statements made by corporate executives so forum members know I am not just making assumptions appear as fact. And when I give an opinion, that is clearly stated as so. So I'm not really worried about others because I'm sure they know what I did and didn't say.

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Hi Gh,

I think most people in this group are both smart and considerate enough to see what type of individual Warren is. I am guessing he has still posted some harsh and insulting words about me while twisting and distorting what was said in my past and current posts that I am now unaware of since putting him on my ignore list.

I'm content sharing my thoughts and exchanging differences of opinions with others (who understand what common decency is regardless of which side of the fence they might be on) for his behavior obviously has nothing to do with the subject of 3D. These type of people are not worth wasting one's time with and are usually the ones who tie the nooses around their own necks.

Getting back to quotes purposely being distorted, I include attachments from reliable sources like the Wall Street Journal, the Financial Times and independent research firms which quote industry figures and statements made by corporate executives so forum members know I am not just making assumptions appear as fact. And when I give an opinion, that is clearly stated as so. So I'm not really worried about others because I'm sure they know what I did and didn't say.

Joe

Actually

I am glad I took the time to look at this form..its been several days

First off..let me say I have posted no distorted words about anyone

Second...what I have pointed is how far off the mark you have been in your predictions?

I am not sure why you bother
One could read back a few months and see how far off they are in regard to where the market is

So clearly you might want to check other sources

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The trouble with ignoring people like him is that others may start to think he's correct because there's never any rebuttal from the person who's post was quoted out of context. Opinions are one thing, but to use other people's words out of context and "spin" them to personally attack that person is wrong. I might not 100% agree with Lee at times, and we have had some small debates, but Lee has never taken my words out of context and then try to make me out an idiot or "inconsistent" in my postings.

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LOL..I love it

Clearly..you are comfortable with two facts

1. You are comfortable with extended commentary on items you have no experience with

2. You are comfortable using incorrect transaction pricing to try to prove your point
That speaks..IMO..to credibility

You really should look at websites like slickdeals..or one of the many others
and see what people ACTUALLY PAY for these items
It might prove more useful when you are trying to use price to make a point

FYI....MSRP can mean nothing in regard to what the product actually sells for in flat panel TV's..or audio for that matter as well

You also might actually try an item before you comment on the differences it makes or doesn't

You and Joe can sit around and speculate all day about items you have no experience with and talk about incorrect price points...

You do realize you bring no accuracy to the table?

that would be my definition of dense

Having a different opinion of an item you have experience with is a matter of differencing tastes

But when you have no personal experience with the product....its frankly a worthless opinion...

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