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New info on Apple TV - It's not all good!


You might remember that Engadget broke news of an updated Apple TV headed to market just a few months ago. A trusted Engadget source asserted that the gang in Cupertino would be releasing a $99 version of the set top box, similarly sized and packed with internals akin to that of the iPhone 4 (A4 CPU, 16GB of flash storage), and will introduce new iTunes streaming services the box could take advantage of. Well we've gotten a little more info on the project, and it's not all good. Apparently the box won't be capable of handling (or enabled to handle) 1080i or 1080p video. Instead it will only push out 720p clips. Oh, and there's one more thing -- Apple will be officially changing the name of the device to iTV, abandoning the current moniker in favor of something a little more in line with its current iOfferings. Source - Engadget

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iTV...?, that name's already taken by a long established (1955) television company, and later iTV.net was established by another company in 1995
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I'm fine with 720p, as long as the device offers the ability to reliably stream 480p/720p h.264 media over the network without requiring transcoding. So far, Air Video for the iPhone looks like it would do the job, as long as it can scale to a TV-sized interface.
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This is ALL rumor at this stage, and your article should emphasize this. Quoting a "trusted source" at Engadget means nothing, since they're just a media outlet too and not part of the manufacturing or design process of any Apple products.
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atv "Classic" with linux distro pushing 1080P/24 with the help of crystal HD is looking fine at this point. Its amazing how much faster it runs compared to OSX and on ony 256MB

atv running crystalubuntu / xbmc is becoming my one of my guilty pleasures!

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Apple will have problems using the iTV name:
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This is ALL rumor at this stage, and your article should emphasize this. Quoting a "trusted source" at Engadget means nothing....

In your opinion.

Engadget is a very reliable source of information.

We'll see who's correct.

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Facts, by definition, are corroborated with actual sources. Engadget's speculation may indeed be correct, but AT THIS POINT, it's just rumor unless they have a source willing to go on the record. That isn't my opinion, it's just the fact of the situation.

I'm fine with sites discussing rumors/theories/speculations etc -- I read multiple Apple-themed sites per day, but I think it's on shaky ground to quote a media outlet as a source when it is just the middleman for information that isn't confirmed by named sources from multiple directions. At this point, these "leaks" (i.e., Engadget's source) might not be coming from people without a vested financial interest in the configuration of a future mod to ATV.

It's akin to asserting "people say that..." as EVIDENCE of something rather than just those people's opinion/speculation/wishful thinking/misinformation/who knows. It elevates the "information" to a level of trust that isn't yet warranted.
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What I don't understand is why come out with a product that won't do 1080p, or at the least 1080i? It makes no sense to only be capable of 720p.
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What I don't understand is why come out with a product that won't do 1080p, or at the least 1080i? It makes no sense to only be capable of 720p.

+1... what market is this targeted at that would be OK with 720p? While the masses seem quite content with subpar audio quality, to the annoyance of many of us around here, most folks (that I know, anyway) can easily tell the difference between 720 and 1080, and clamor for more and more 1080 content from their media provider(s).

But as stated before, this is just a rumor until proven otherwise, and it wouldn't be the first time that a so-called reliable source has been very wrong about an unreleased Apple product.
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^^^

easily tell the difference?

people clamor for more 1080 because that's what they think they should clamor for...

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The current Apple TV doesn't do 1080p either.
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I wonder if they're going to make a real push for this now or is it still going to be a sideline project for them? I guess the publics response will make that decision for them.

I for one would be disappointed in 720p, maybe google will have something better.
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In your opinion.

Engadget is a very reliable source of information.

We'll see who's correct.

After the iPhone debacle, I easily trust Engadget more than I'd trust Apple for the 'truth'. Hope it comes with a rubber bumper ....

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easily tell the difference?

people clamor for more 1080 because that's what they think they should clamor for...

Yeah, blown up to 10 feet you can tell... guessing this isnt apples target, just high def streaming for everyday home users... apple can sell the iTurd.

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the marketplace of 10 foot screen users is rather small, in comparison to non 10 foot screen users...

the great majority of home users either have sets too small or sit too far away from them to resolve 1080p (from an eye-sight perspective)...

not taking one side or the other, but much of the clamoring is much ado about nothing...

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How do they get you to buy iTV 2.0? Easy, they add 1080P!

I am fine with 720P if it will do everything else really well.

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most folks (that I know, anyway) can easily tell the difference between 720 and 1080

Only if you sit close enough. Most people don't. If you watch a 42" TV, chances are you don't sit close enough to notice. If you have a 10' wide screen in your home theater, chances are you'll notice.
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+1... what market is this targeted at that would be OK with 720p? While the masses seem quite content with subpar audio quality, to the annoyance of many of us around here, most folks (that I know, anyway) can easily tell the difference between 720 and 1080, and clamor for more and more 1080 content from their media provider(s).

But as stated before, this is just a rumor until proven otherwise, and it wouldn't be the first time that a so-called reliable source has been very wrong about an unreleased Apple product.

The masses are who this device is targeted to. It's not an audiophile or videophile device.

My guess is that Steve-o will focus on bit-rate when it comes out, showing a demo of a 1080p video distributed at a very low bit rate, showing video artifacting.

Then he'll show an iTV clip at 720p at a higher bitrate, and it will be largely artifact-free.

That will sell it.

The hottest part of the rumor is that there will be apps and an appstore, so you might get services like Netflix out of the box, which would be cool.

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It's obvious why Apple did not build in 1080p support. It doesn't have any permanent on board storage. The 16 GB flash is just a buffer. Streaming 1080p may possible on local LAN but most of it's content will stream from the iTunes which only has 720p content.
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iTV2 will have 1080p and 32GB flash... not from any reliable source, but just taking the que from iphone/2/3G/4
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Only if you sit close enough. Most people don't. If you watch a 42" TV, chances are you don't sit close enough to notice. If you have a 10' wide screen in your home theater, chances are you'll notice.

The PQ from my Apple TV on my 123" screen is acceptable. If I want the complete HT experience I will watch a Blu-ray anyway. For TV episodes and most older fair the 720P will do the job. That being said it does seem silly to introduce a new product with 5 year old technology. IMHO Apple is better than that. I'd be willing to bet this is a canard put out to throw off the speculators and increase the splash Apple likes to make at introduction events for new products.

You know, a guy could get into this HT thing and drop a couple of bucks!
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The PQ from my Apple TV on my 123" screen is acceptable. If I want the complete HT experience I will watch a Blu-ray anyway. For TV episodes and most older fair the 720P will do the job. That being said it does seem silly to introduce a new product with 5 year old technology. IMHO Apple is better than that. I'd be willing to bet this is a canard put out to throw off the speculators and increase the splash Apple likes to make at introduction events for new products.

And the sound of my 128kbps AAC files are acceptable too...nothing like compressing the hell out of our content and being satisfied with mediocrity! Personally, I find the quality of the Playstation and XBOX video store to be superior to iTunes...but if I am a real fan of the movie I will pony up for a Blu-Ray...I am really really tired of "720p" and "1080p" video with high compression. The XBOX marketplace gives you the option to stream or download 1080p video and the streamed feed (on a FIOS 20mbps connection) looks like crap. I really wish that the size or bandwidth of the video was stated along with the resolution! i.e. 720p/8mbps or 1080i/10mbps etc.
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"mediocrity" is a stretch, my friend. Although I'm with you on your overall thrust.

A-TV on my 60" Kuro looks at least as good as the HD pumpin through my DirecTv, and many times, superior.

Honestly, I'm not convinced 75% of my guests could pick it out from a BD.

1080 is just fine too, though.

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After following the MacWorld show of this mornings Apple presentation, I will probably get a new Apple TV just to experiment with.

What is the best forum to go to for info about the Apple Tv.
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So much for the name change rumor.
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That's all I need....More TV!
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Its just another product whose appeal is entirely due to marketing. This is what Jobs does best, sells inferior hardware that is marketed as if its innovative. He's a megalomaniac. Its sad they've had so much success with it.
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Android = Good

Apple = BAD!!

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The real problems with the AppleTV2
1. it doesn't buffer to Flash, that 8Gb is for something but it aint media. Most likely for apps.
2. You can't stream movies from a typical NAS you need iTunes running.

Else nice product. Convert your movies with Handbrake and you're all set.

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