Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
I've just never liked to have a sub when listening to music. Granted I don't have a very music capable sub so that is one reason. I'm of the mind that a good 2ch setup should be able to reproduce music properly without relying on a sub for the lowest frequencies. That is what I prefer. I could use a sub, but I don't like to for anything other than HT.
You keep saying "a sub". We're talking about subs
. The raw physics dictate that in order for a passive 2 channel speaker to be able to reproduce the lowest frequencies, it either needs a 21" woofer that can play low AND up to 300hz or higher for a good crossover in order to have any decent sensitivity, or to throw sensitivity away for extension. That means the need for 1000w amps to drive a lot of great speakers (IE Revel Salon) and the consequence is that there's so much heat produced that these speakers still don't respond to turning the volume up. And that still has nothing to do with sound quality. if you want sound quality how do you expect to place speakers in the optimal location for imaging/soundstage/timbral accuracy, while not suffering from room mode issues?
As I mentioned in my previous post, you need to consider what ""seasoned audiophiles"" who don't care about HT, think about MULTIPLE subs.http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php...7103#msg547103
for example. or Welti/Devantier's research:http://www.aes.org/tmpFiles/elib/20111012/13680.pdf
or Geddes' research:http://mehlau.net/audio/multisub_geddes/
or sean olive's confirmation (comment number six):http://seanolive.blogspot.com/2009/0...reference.html
or floyd toole's book:http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Reproduc.../dp/0240520092
or gene dellasalla's measured results:http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/ge...-bass/two-subs
I could keep going, btw. Just about all evidence points to a 2 speaker, 3 or 4 sub approach as being superior to a 2 speaker approach. Listening confirms. Has nothing to do with subs being for HT. we're talking about music. About the only non sub solution that comes close to a multi sub solution is a rotatable cardioid woofer section that shifts to dipole, (like these
) and that's not without its own limitations (mainly a reduction in dynamics making it good for small rooms only, and it has to be an active loudspeaker)
Also, bot any links to the geddes summa?
The summa is currently unavaialble. Its little brother the abbey is pretty damn close.http://www.gedlee.com/abbey.htm
and Duke Lejeune's planetarium betas are arguably better because they are bipoles.
If you want great bass sound quality, then you have to throw away your pride and stop trying to buy speakers that reproduce 20hz on their own.
Google wasn't all that helpful. I do like that it is a diy speaker as that's what I'd like to do. Any other wave guide suggestions?
Check out the diy thread for SEOS-12/15