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View Poll Results: Have You Heard Exotic Audio Cables Improve Sound Quality?
Yes, and it was a big improvement 48 8.59%
Yes, but it was only a slight improvement 62 11.09%
No, I did not hear any improvement 309 55.28%
I don't have enough experience to say 140 25.04%
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post #631 of 655 Old 09-01-2013, 04:05 PM
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And what's wrong with that?
Capacitance.
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And what's wrong with that?
Capacitance.
Just what do you mean by that? CAT5 is 15 picofarads a foot. (http://www.smarthomeusa.com/ShopByManufacturer/Genesis/Item/WG-4978210x/)
Speaker wire, well, is even higher:
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Ordinary lamp cord has a capacitance of 10–20 pF per foot, plus a few picofarads of stray capacitance, so a 50 foot run (100 total feet of conductor) will have less than 1% capacitive loss in the audible range. Some premium speaker cables have higher capacitance in order to have lower inductance; 100–300 pF is typical, in which case the capacitive loss will exceed 1% for runs longer than about 5 feet (10 feet of conductor).
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15pF per pair. Start paralleling conductors and cables and it goes up very quickly and it can affect the stability of some SS amps, causing oscillation, overheating and in some cases damage to the amplifier (and maybe speakers). It would be pretty much instant death to Naim amps for example. This is a well known phenomenum to those of us who study amp design and I have actually seen a couple of examples in testing on my own bench and repaired severel more from audiophiles who simply read an article on doing this online and tried it to the detriment of their amps.
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That sounds more like an amp problem than a cable problem.
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Ok here is a quote from the AQ website on the Ethernet cables: DIRECTIONALITY: All audio cables are directional. The correct direction is determined by listening to every batch of metal conductors used in every AudioQuest audio cable. Arrows are clearly marked on the connectors to ensure superior sound quality. For best results have the arrow pointing in the direction of the flow of music. For example, NAS to Router, Router to Network Player. It's packet data! There are send and receive pairs. It's why Ethernet is a full duplex standard.

They are full of it! Monster does the same and they made a ton of money! I use to be ignorant, and bough some monster cables way back when I started in this expensive hobby. Then the Internet came and I educated myself, reopen my physics books as well smile.gif know I know better, I am just buying marketing smile.gif
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Should I just challenge the corporate owner/s of AQ? What utter crap.

YES PLEASE, I would love the hear what he says!
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That sounds more like an amp problem than a cable problem.
If you have a system that's working fine and you swap it out for a highly capacitive cable that then causes damage, then it's a user problem. It's difficult for a designer to ensure stability into every load, especially when there are tight margins and low profits to be made. Especially just to sate the whims of a few foolish audiophiles.
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That sounds more like an amp problem than a cable problem.

It's a user problem. When you have engineering teams with 100's of years of man hour experience designing amps they design to common standards and mantra's that hold true in the world of physics. They design and engineer accordingly.

Then you get some person that thinks they know 'better' then the hilarity ensues.

An audiophile likes to talk about how much they spent and how good it sounds.

A DIY'er likes to talk about how little they spent and how good it sounds.

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And what's wrong with that? 4 24 gauge strands in parallel is roughly equivalent to a 17.5 gauge wire and if you run two pieces that doubles the ampacity to a nearly 15 gauge wire! eek.gif Don't believe me? There's a chart on this page: http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm
It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not - my attempt at humor was Audioquest found a market for it, but terminated it with RJ45 instead of speaker connectors.

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It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not - my attempt at humor was Audioquest found a market for it, but terminated it with RJ45 instead of speaker connectors.

The real fun part is some one takes this stuff serious and others must be keeping Audioquest in business.
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Well just sayin', BUT a lot of expensive speaker cables have much higher than 65pf per foot capacitance. It's the necessary trade off if you want to keep inductance down. Take a look at the table at the bottom of this article: http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/Low-Inductance-DIY-Speaker-Cables/
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This is one of the most hotly contested debates in all of audiophilia. Manufacturers make extravagant claims about how different materials and geometries affect the sound—and they charge extravagant prices for these innovations.





Pictured here is a cross section of the Stealth Audio Dream V10 speaker cable, which lists for $14,000 for a pair of 2.5-meter lengths.

Are such high prices justified? Have you heard exotic/expensive cables improve the sound quality of an audio system? What were the circumstances that led to your conclusion?

What a farce! Here is an other one: http://www.morrowaudio.com/

pathetic! By the way their cables are rebadged MOGAMI
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What a farce! Here is an other one: http://www.morrowaudio.com/

pathetic! By the way their cables are rebadged MOGAMI

Are you 100% sure?
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Are you 100% sure?

Close http://www.mogamicable.com/category/products/gold-RCA-RCA_6_12.php
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What a farce! Here is an other one: http://www.morrowaudio.com/

pathetic! By the way their cables are rebadged MOGAMI

Checked them out, and the most interesting thing found is a brown 20 AMP receptacle from Hubbell for 13 bucks. Had not seen the name before and googled that and part # and found this, http://www.hubbell-wiring.com
Its well built? very expensive stuff that only well be used if what?????? $13 was the cheapest price I found, must be counterfeit.
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??? nothing on the link you provided is solid core silver plated, or did I miss something! perhaps you could be a little more specific.
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This is one of the most hotly contested debates in all of audiophilia. Manufacturers make extravagant claims about how different materials and geometries affect the sound—and they charge extravagant prices for these innovations.
 
I believe it!!!!

My wire stopped working and I had to change it between my VCR and AMP.... What garbage sound from the other cord!!!! -- More tinny sounding and not as much bass! (Sibilance,etc)

I finally found another lead with traditional wires and Ill see how that is....... I just watched something on VHS that wasnt HIFI and it sounded OK I guess.......

www.ebay.com/itm/121390553994

I have always been worried if something happend to my wire My sound would be screwed up and I was right

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The funniest claims are the ones made by Nordost, with their "Propagation Delay" ratings. Oh, the price you pay to move up from 95% speed of light to 98% speed of light... for some people that price difference is the same as the cost of a new car. Talk about diminishing returns.
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Diminishing returns indeed! Per Einstein's TOR, the speed of light (186,000 m/sec) <b>is</b> the cosmic speed limit and can only be approached. So put that in perspective when upgrading a cable instead of a new car or an education.[/QUOTE]
Just to be persnickety about things, relativity specifies light in a vacuum. Through other media such as water, the speed of light is slower (By 25%). Check Cherenkov radiation that pretty blue you see in swimming pool reactors. But to the synapses in my brain a few thousand miles per second difference is, how shall we say, trivial.
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Diminishing returns indeed! Per Einstein's TOR, the speed of light (186,000 m/sec) <b>is</b> the cosmic speed limit and can only be approached. So put that in perspective when upgrading a cable instead of a new car or an education.

Just to be persnickety about things, relativity specifies light in a vacuum. Through other media such as water, the speed of light is slower (By 25%). Check Cherenkov radiation that pretty blue you see in swimming pool reactors. But to the synapses in my brain a few thousand miles per second difference is, how shall we say, trivial.
I do see an opportunity for Nordost in the aftermarket video game controller cable category.

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I stand corrected! I'm not ready to break the cosmic speed limit just yet.

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I was going to have a laugh at their exotic Ethernet cables, but remembered this thread is about exotic AUDIO cables.

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Dont laugh bud..... THE CABLE DOES INDEED MATTER!!!!!!!! (Dont cut us down just because your lucky enough to not have had it happen to you -- PLEASE TRUST US)

I have bought 4 or 5 more since my post above....... A friend finally told me of this place in my area that sells better quality cables (I hadnt ever been there)....... I got one and its the best I have had since my original went out.......

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Dont laugh bud..... THE CABLE DOES INDEED MATTER!!!!!!!! (Dont cut us down just because your lucky enough to not have had it happen to you -- PLEASE TRUST US)

I have been thru 4 or 5 more since my post above....... A friend finally told me of this place in my area that sells better quality cables (I hadnt ever been there)....... I got one and its the best I have had since my original went out.......
Trust who? Those still using VHS? People who imagine hearing things? Those who are very gullible? Why on earth would you go "thru" 4 or 5 cables?
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Because the center conductor,etc was not good on all of them I had tried!

Everything has to be JUST RIGHT or it doesnt perform as well....... (Center conductor,shielding,etc)


I wasnt imaging anything.......
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There's a reason why Theoretical Physics is relevant. Someone has an idea that "could" be possible, and until it's proven otherwise, it has to be considered. That is where I put these outrageous cable companies. Sure, you can theorize all day long about how something might be happening. And if you can make money selling those notions, more power to you. But you sure as hell won't get any of my money. Dayton Audio - Thanks for all the excellent cables over the years!
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