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Yes, physical media will quickly disappear altogether 23 2.16%
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post #901 of 920 Old 06-20-2013, 11:55 AM
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Actually they have released a "stream friendly" version of DTS-MA just recently for Vudu I believe.

Vudu still doesn't rival BD quality, at least not on my 65" display.



I'm going to have to look into their DTS. Strange I just rented a new release HDX movie and my pre/pro still said Dolby digital. It never gave me an option. It doesn't look as good as BD even on my 42" panel so I'm sure on your 65" it's very noticeable.
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I'm going to have to look into their DTS. Strange I just rented a new release HDX movie and my pre/pro still said Dolby digital. It never gave me an option. It doesn't look as good as BD even on my 42" panel so I'm sure on your 65" it's very noticeable.

The maximum bitrate of HDX is only half of the average bluray discs' average bitrate and only a quarter of bluray's maximum bitrate, so you can imagine how bit-starved the streaming is. Especially when you watch it on a 96" 21:9 screen viewed from 9ft away like me. eek.gif

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The maximum bitrate of HDX is only half of the average bluray discs' average bitrate and only a quarter of bluray's maximum bitrate, so you can imagine how bit-starved the streaming is. Especially when you watch it on a 96" 21:9 screen viewed from 9ft away like me. eek.gif



I didn't realize the bitrates were that far apart. I hope BD stays around a long time.
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Me too. On the other hand, Disney have been dumbing down some of their BD releases down to average bitrate of only 16 Mbps!!! Arrrrgh!!!

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Me too. On the other hand, Disney have been dumbing down some of their BD releases down to average bitrate of only 16 Mbps!!! Arrrrgh!!!



I'm glad you and others are around to keep them honest. They think their slick, and instead of making downloads with a higher bitrate they're lowering BD so it doesn't look so obvious. Ugh.
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Disney fought VHS
Disney fought DVD
Disney fought BD

.................. even though these physical formats have each made Disney billions of dollars.

Yet, Disney is embracing online distribution.

If that doesn't tell you something, it should.
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Me too. On the other hand, Disney have been dumbing down some of their BD releases down to average bitrate of only 16 Mbps!!! Arrrrgh!!!
Yes, because Warner hjasn't bit starved their blu-rays at all.

Universal and Fox haven't DNR'd many of their releases to the point where there's no detail at all.
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Disney fought VHS
Disney fought DVD
Disney fought BD

.................. even though these physical formats have each made Disney billions of dollars.

Yet, Disney is embracing online distribution.

If that doesn't tell you something, it should.

Name one studio that didn't fight the home video trend at some point. The truth is, they all resisted it until E.T. was a hit on home video on its signature green VHS tape.

It wasn't just the studios, either. Even Jack Valenti (head of the MPAA at the time) compared VHS to the Boston Strangler.

The thing that did tick me off about Disney DVD releases was that some of their early releases were full screen with no widescreen option. But, that was the case with a lot of releases. They also weren't anamorphic at first and you had to flip longer movies.

As far as Blu-ray, I seem to remember that the issue Disney had was committing to anything while the format war was going on. Personally, I don't blame them.

However, since a lot of other studios seem to mess arounf with forced trailers and stripped rental versions while Disney seems to shy away from that nonsense, I'll cut them some slack for be standoffish on physical media.
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I think you remember a different version of history than myself.

Yes, all the studios initially resisted VHS..... however, Disney was in the minority in resisting DVD. Disney partnered with Circuit City and tried to back DiVX and initially said that they would not release on DVD because as far as they were concerned giving such a high quality version of their movies on disc was tantamount to selling the keys to the kingdom.

Similar arguments were made by them about embracing BD initially and then they did a complete about face and were fully on board.
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I think you remember a different version of history than myself.

Yes, all the studios initially resisted VHS..... however, Disney was in the minority in resisting DVD. Disney partnered with Circuit City and tried to back DiVX and initially said that they would not release on DVD because as far as they were concerned giving such a high quality version of their movies on disc was tantamount to selling the keys to the kingdom..

I could say the same thing about you. From Wikipedia:
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DreamWorks, 20th Century Fox, and Paramount Pictures, for instance, initially released their films exclusively on the DIVX format. DIVX featured stronger encryption technology than DVD (Triple DES), which many studios stated was a contributing factor in the decision to support DIVX first.

Further, Divx was launched in 1998...the same year Disney released "Mary Poppins", the first Disney movie to be released on DVD. The released several other films that same year, then started opening the floodgates in 1999. So, they were less than 12 months behind the US launch for DVD (it hit Japan a year earlier).

Way to resist, Disney.

You make it sound like they took years to put discs out on DVD, when that's simply not the case.

Further, Blu-ray was launched in 2006 - the same year Disney released the Pirates of the Caribbean films, the National Treasure films and the first two Narnia films on BD - well before 2008 when the format war ended.
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Fair enough, clearly I am mistaken. My recollection on the BD piece was that Disney would not initially adopt the format, citing security of the format amongst other things.
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Fair enough, clearly I am mistaken. My recollection on the BD piece was that Disney would not initially adopt the format, citing security of the format amongst other things.
That sounds more like a reason they wouldn't support HDDVD. For one thing, I believe one of the big draws for BD among some studios was the region locking.
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That is correct. Disney actually sponsored a lot of the Blu-ray "rah-rah" tours and public showcases around USA

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That is correct. Disney actually sponsored a lot of the Blu-ray "rah-rah" tours and public showcases around USA



Pretty wise on their part because well done animation looks pretty cool on BD.
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This seemed to be a late but relevant entry into this discussion;

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1659904

Disney has pulled titles from the Apple and Amazon download stores. This won't be the last time this kind of thing happens. You don't own a download or stream. You do own physical media and they can't show up at your house and take it away due to some licensing snafu.
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Hence my 5000+ media collection in the form of CD, LP, LD, DVD and Blu-ray
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Hence my 5000+ media collection in the form of CD, LP, LD, DVD and Blu-ray

I'm right there with you. I would frankly be pretty ticked off if I paid for a stream or download and then later couldn't access it. No concerns of that with my old school physical discs.
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In the future we will inevitably move all digital. This will be a slow process but I can't come up with a good argument for why it will not eventually happen.
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In the future we will inevitably move all digital. This will be a slow process but I can't come up with a good argument for why it will not eventually happen.

You are leaving things very open ended, so yes I agree with you, at some point in the "future" it will happen.

I am not ready to make the conversion with the state of things today though, Disney pulling titles is just one reason I'm not ready to switch to DRM digital downloads.
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You are leaving things very open ended, so yes I agree with you, at some point in the "future" it will happen.

I am not ready to make the conversion with the state of things today though, Disney pulling titles is just one reason I'm not ready to switch to DRM digital downloads.

Hopefully we get a solution like gog.com for gaming, which is downloads that are drm free. But yes I was open ended as predicting beyond that is not all that possible. We really need systems made whether via a box or cloud that operate like a film collection hub though before wee see any real movements towards digital only.
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I am not suprised at all about Disney pulling titles.... they have routinely put their movies "Back in the Vault" and re-released them when there was a "anniversary edition" or when released in another format (DVD from VHS, and Blu-ray from DVD). But I still own/view/enjoy the titles I have purchased since I have a physical copy of the title!
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