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post #361 of 496 Old 05-13-2013, 06:19 PM
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My old LX608 had a "smooth" option available which was indeed frame interpolation. I knew it was because it introduced a slight SOE effect with the usual "clear halo" around fast moving objects. Not sure if they dropped it in the LX609 series or not.

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As a professional in the hight-end of the professional market (film and TV, not home cinema) I have a passionate dislike of plasmas due to their inability to ever be accurately calibrated.

It really is as simple as that.

We are called into a lot of professional colour grading operations who often have plasmas as 'client monitors' and want to understand why they look so bad compared to their main grade-1 display. In all cases we end up suggesting the removal of the plasmas, and replacing with professional LCD displays - such as FSI, Penta, etc.

I'm actually surprised more home cinema set-up don't use such displays, with external decoders, etc?

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Despite the recent news that Panasonic might halt research and development of plasma technology—and the fact that plasma TVs represent only about 10 percent of the flat-panel market—this remains the perennial question for all TV shoppers. Both types of flat panels have their pros and cons, so you must decide which pros and cons are important to you.

Which type of flat-panel TV do you prefer: plasma with its sharper motion detail, often better blacks, and superior off-axis performance, or LED-LCD with its brighter image, often less-reflective screen, and more economical power consumption?

Given some of the nasty comments in recent threads about plasma TVs, I'd like to remind you that all opinions are welcome, but comments designed to incite others will not be allowed. Please be respectful of those who disagree with you.

Interesting that DLP merits no mention.

I like having a TV where all the pixels are the right color... ;-)
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Kuro never had frame interpolation, they have 3:3 pulldown, the Panasonic (ST/GT/VT50) have the frame interpolation option.

I've read many links that state it does and many posts from Kuro owners that say it does.

I've always thought D-Nice was highly knowledgeable so I posted this link.

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1602&postcount=2
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Yes different names same effect.



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My lg plasma can play at 24p 72hz but I prefer to use the 60hz even that is still looks good at 72hz not that bad like other display that had see ,it really does a great job but I'll keep the 60hz.

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My lg plasma can play at 24p 72hz but I prefer to use the 60hz.

I'm still messing around with mine figuring out what I like best on my Panasonic, I've been more consumed with trying to fine tune the other pictures settings between THX and Game mode. For nature stuff I enjoyed interpolation can be quite nice (though still wish we just had native HFR).
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Does anyone actually like the motion smoothing effect here? I feel like the oddball in that I actually keep my motion smoother on medium on my ST50, it does create some artifacts sometimes, but I just prefer the way the motion is with it on.

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Yes it can be useful for documentaries, animated films, sports, and video games.

Don't mistake the hz with the frame interpolation a.k.a cinema smooth . that feature will add a extra super smooth picture.

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Does anyone actually like the motion smoothing effect here? I feel like the oddball in that I actually keep my motion smoother on medium on my ST50, it does create some artifacts sometimes, but I just prefer the way the motion is with it on.

Yes, depending on the content. I don't like the artifacts which is why I wish they'd update the standards to 48fps or higher.
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Lots of people, particularly on this forum, prefer Plasma for some reason. I have a relatively bright living room (which is where my TV is) and I have the new Sharp 60" LED which provides really beautiful vibrant colors and very dark blacks, if not perfect, all without having to close the shades every time I want to watch something. Now I have never had a Plasma TV but I honestly have no reason to switch or upgrade to anything else until the 4k's become a little more reasonably priced.

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Lots of people, particularly on this forum, prefer Plasma for some reason. I have a relatively bright living room (which is where my TV is) and I have the new Sharp 60" LED which provides really beautiful vibrant colors and very dark blacks, if not perfect, all without having to close the shades every time I want to watch something.

If your majority of viewing is during the day, then the LED is the better choice. However, take that same television with the lights out in the evening, and compare those black levels and motion blur to a plasma.
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If your majority of viewing is during the day, then the LED is the better choice. However, take that same television with the lights out in the evening, and compare those black levels and motion blur to a plasma.

With a high-end LED, they'll probably be comparable.

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I am not putting rubbish on anyone's opinion or preference, but what is the infatuation with having blacks jet black, do you people sit there and just watch how black the blacks are on your tv, not being funny, but i am curious as to why it's so important, if your blacks where a dark brown like mine can be at times then i can understand. Again let me stress that i am not being smart in asking.
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I am not putting rubbish on anyone's opinion or preference, but what is the infatuation with having blacks jet black, do you people sit there and just watch how black the blacks are on your tv, not being funny, but i am curious as to why it's so important, if your blacks where a dark brown like mine can be at times then i can understand. Again let me stress that i am not being smart in asking.

The quality of the black level is indicative of several points.

It generally denotes a higher Contrast Ratio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrast_ratio

A higher black level helps a tv to produce greater depth in the image produced.

A higher black level generally improves the TV's shadow detail when properly calibrated.

Scenes with very dark/black areas, such as many space scenes in sci-fi movies, appear more authentic.
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Both at night and during the day, but mostly during the day. Also I've mastered the settings on the TV so there is no motion blur and frankly I coud care less about the picture being any 'blacker' than it already is.

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if you really don't want motion blur (but without adding interpolated frames), the only answer to that is only plasma with a minimum of 2,500 Hz FFD.

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What plasma's would fall into that category?
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Panasonic ST/GT/VT from last year and ST/VT/ZT of this year.
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The quality of the black level is indicative of several points.

It generally denotes a higher Contrast Ratio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrast_ratio

A higher black level helps a tv to produce greater depth in the image produced.

A higher black level generally improves the TV's shadow detail when properly calibrated.

Scenes with very dark/black areas, such as many space scenes in sci-fi movies, appear more authentic.

Thanks for the education, and also not being nasty about it.

In all honesty if the blacks look or are very close to blacks, than i have no issue at all with blacks, like i said before the only time that i got really annoyed is when the previous Samsung i could not get proper skin tones. The skin always looked very pink no matter what setting or how much green was added, even after change of a main board and that board where the antenna plugs in, also a screen change did not help. I also like a very clear picture without motion blur, they are the most important things that i look at in a tv, but then again i may not be as fussy as others may be. As for Plasma v LCD-Led i have no idea what is the best, but i do like that crisp look in the LCD, the Plasma do have a nice picture as well, so really it is up to the individual when it's their choice i suppose. Like both, but the fact that Plasma waste a lot of power is something that i would look into in the future. Power bills are disgustingly high in the state of Victoria Australia.
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Despite Shoot Out results - Sony 4Ks selling out! Even the 84"! People are seeing (Despite the non-standardization) 4K is the Future, not 1080P!
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Despite Shoot Out results - Sony 4Ks selling out! Even the 84"! People are seeing (Despite the non-standardization) 4K is the Future, not 1080P!

What about Oled, will it stand a chance in the future.
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Within the next 2 years - there will be a big swing more towards 4K: faster than the swing to HD.
The people are getting spoiled - want, it bigger, faster and better looking! 55" Sony 4K selling OK, 65" and even the 84" being Sold Out!
Looking at my own system: Yamaha 673 - 4K, Sony BDP-S790 - 4K, Possible OPPO 103 - 4K. Now if they could only get those Standards finalized! (Then we start all over again!)
Will OLED even now come out in 1080P, and if so, for how long until it also goes 4K. 3D Passive will be the driving force.
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4K better show a markedly better picture with 1080i and 720P content because we will probably never see native 4K broadcasts. Unless the price is really really right I can't see that many people buying 4K sets just to watch 4K Blu-rays. Of course if the manufactures do like they've done with 3D you'll have to take 4K to get anything close to a top of the line TV.
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Despite Shoot Out results - Sony 4Ks selling out! Even the 84"! People are seeing (Despite the non-standardization) 4K is the Future, not 1080P!


That may be true but for me 4K is no where in my future. If it is its a long, long way off.
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When I first started into the Electronics game - a Major change was every 2 years. Now it's about every 6 months. No longer are we purchasing with the idea this will last us for anywhere's up to 5 years. I think it's called competition! A read that came to me in an e-mail today - and it's coming sooner then later as we, the consumer want it better, faster and cheaper! Plasmas, from what I'm reading, are Not capable of getting up into this new technology.

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That was a very good broad overlook article of 4K.

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It depends what you buy. If you buy the Kuro, for example, you don't need to upgrade for the first 4 years of ownership.

If you buy a decent HD projector such as the JVC RS1, you don't need to upgrade it for the first 4 years too.

It's only when you buy entry level stuff that you need to keep upgrading.

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