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post #31 of 177 Old 08-03-2013, 07:59 AM
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Great write up Mark!

Just now seeing the article. If any fellow AVSers happen to be in the DC area, please feel free to reach out if you are interested in a demo. This community has given so much to me, it's the least I could do in return.
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That's awesome .. I had so much fun that I don't even mind that PaulyC got credit for being there instead of me (pauleyc) tongue.giftongue.giftongue.gif

Thanks again Austin for letting us take a ride ....
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Very cool write-up Mark and congratulations Austin for making it into the first HTotM.
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Nice Write-up Mark and congratulations Popalock on building such a nice looking and sounding Home Theater!!!

There was some talk on the Klipsch Owners Thread about needing an external amp to drive Klipsch RF-7s efficiently, but I bet your Pioneer Elite SC-57 does the job just as well without having one.
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Awesome! Wish I were closer to come over for an audition.

I'd like to see some better systems/proposals from the complainers....not high end, that one was funny.
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Awesome! Wish I were closer to come over for an audition.

I'd like to see some better systems/proposals from the complainers....not high end, that one was funny.

Sorry, but the design of the system is so unbalanced for that room that I must say it's not really high-end. Not in the technical sense. If you actually tune that to a flat response, it would be a grand waste because just a few of those properly placed would tune up with those speakers and give great low end bass. While the man and boy in me admire the effort, the realist in me facepalms.
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The concept of "high-end" from the poster with his overpriced Cary stuff was funny. Popalock put a lot more effort into this for the purpose of awesome bass, which is as high end as it comes in many ways. You can face-palm all you want. Unbalanced? That's funny. Tune up with speakers? Please explain just wtf that means.....
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I'm sure he meant a few subs would keep up with the klipsch no problems. But it's ok haters gonna hate. Jealousy is the word that comes to mind. Let us know when your home theater gets featured and we will drop by to bash on it instead of just congratulating you. This forum is full of extremely rude people.
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Sorry, but the design of the system is so unbalanced for that room that I must say it's not really high-end. Not in the technical sense. If you actually tune that to a flat response, it would be a grand waste because just a few of those properly placed would tune up with those speakers and give great low end bass. While the man and boy in me admire the effort, the realist in me facepalms.

If you have not seen or heard PL's system, how can you already have a firm opinion regarding the system's capabilities and relative value? Don't judge this book by its cover. Ultimately, the whole point of a system like this is to be able to tune flat to reference with zero strain, zero distortion... and then have the headroom to go where you want from there. The only relevant question is "how low can you go?" i.e. How much bass extension have you got? I get away with four 12" in my system, but I have ported my subs, so the cutoff is around 14Hz. What I experienced at the demo of this system was on a whole another level—and make no mistake, this is home theater not music. That kind of raw power can be used... all of it.

While your statement is correct—a pair of 18" subs would do for most people's needs—if you read my piece then it should be clear is that the capability of the system extends beyond the audible realm, deep into infrasound territory, and that some movies take advantage of this sort of capability. You won't find that sort of visceral impact in a movie theater, or in a typical "high-end" home theater.

I heard a rather nice Krell/Martin Logan system recently, and this system exceeded the Krell system's capabilities in some ways—with performance per dollar being off the charts. Sometimes, the term "high end" makes me giggle, because of all the pretentiousness that goes along with paying exorbitant prices in order to achieve some sort of symmetrical audio nirvana. Reproducing 8Hz at reference takes a whole lot of power and displacement—and if one were to pay "high-end" prices for capability like this it would cost far more to achieve this level of intensity.

Another thing I noticed—there were no measurable standing waves whatsoever. Bass response was consistent, no matter what one's position. With calibrated sound, and at modest volume, the quality of the bass was simply exceptional, because THD was so low.wink.gif

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that's got to be insane. I wish I could do something like that, but I don't have the space or money. the best part of audio is feeling it.
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congrats to Popalock

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Unreal some of the negative comments on this thread. A guy builds a fantastic home theater and shares it with us,

What did Mom used to tell us about if you don't have anything nice to say...

Congrats Popalock, I bet it is awesome watching a movie in your theater!

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I am glad all your research and hard work on this killer system resulted in the Home Theater of the Month! Congrats, well deserved.

To those facepalmers out there who don't think this is "High End" you really should experience a system like this before you judge, you are making ignorant comments.
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Great review thanks for sharing biggrin.gif. That room looks amazing would love to hear it.

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Great write up Mark!

Just now seeing the article. If any fellow AVSers happen to be in the DC area, please feel free to reach out if you are interested in a demo. This community has given so much to me, it's the least I could do in return.

Hi Austin! It was a pleasure meeting you at Andrew's GTG. Congrats on your system! Sounds killer! I'm putting you on my "new hero" list along with Andrew! LOL. From your screen name I thought you were a locksmith by trade. LOL. I see from your bio that's not true. Anyways, thanks to Mark also for the write-up. Always nice to hear about new systems and new reference material, BlackHawk Down and Flight of the Phoenix. Since I'm getting old and can't hear as well these days, I'm now interested in "feeling" the music instead, so this piece was very informative.
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Can your Klipsch speakers keep up with all those subwoofers? I had to upgrade my speakers because my 2 12's overpowered them.

Man, to be honest... The RF-7II's impress me more and more everyday. They can hang quite nicely on AVR power alone. I can't imagine any pair of 12's pulling sub duty being able to hang with what the RF-7's are capable of when crossed @ 80Hz.
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Awesome and congrats on theater room of the month! I run RF-7's as my front three but sub wise I'm running 3 tiny little subs in comparison lol. I thought my dual Epik Empires and Paradigm Servo 15 were kicking out some bass - wow! Very impressive and motivating at the same time! You have thinking about the possibilities!
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Great write up! Congrats Popalock!

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Hi Austin! It was a pleasure meeting you at Andrew's GTG. Congrats on your system! Sounds killer! I'm putting you on my "new hero" list along with Andrew! LOL. From your screen name I thought you were a locksmith by trade. LOL. I see from your bio that's not true. Anyways, thanks to Mark also for the write-up. Always nice to hear about new systems and new reference material, BlackHawk Down and Flight of the Phoenix. Since I'm getting old and can't hear as well these days, I'm now interested in "feeling" the music instead, so this piece was very informative.

Dave, you demo that setup, and every bone in your body will "feel it." At one point before PL updated his electrical my eyes were vibrating so hard I had trouble focusing on the screen. Then we popped a breaker. Now that the single 20a service has been upgraded, I don't know how much further PL can take it, but I don't know if I could have taken it in the first place (lies, read as lies). Austin and I both have had the chance to visit Stereo Integrity and listen to Nick's demo vehicle for Obsidian Audio (SI's car audio counterpart) and with the two 15's (maybe they were 18's) in a CRX was truly criminal what it was doing to me when Nick cranked it up...I bet we were near mid 140-ish dB's and it was just ridiculous.

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I am glad all your research and hard work on this killer system resulted in the Home Theater of the Month! Congrats, well deserved.

To those facepalmers out there who don't think this is "High End" you really should experience a system like this before you judge, you are making ignorant comments.

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Congrats Austin!! smile.gif
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Just saw this.

Congrats man! The transformation your HT has gone through has been a ride to witness.

You also pulled off a sweet, avatar-worthy shot of the front end with a wall of bass. I love it! *thumbs up* cool.gif


Keep it going and bring on the AT screen. biggrin.gif
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So glad a DIY'er got the first HT of the month. Thanks for the write up and great exposure to our little DIY corner of the forum. Pop's sub build is very intense. My 4x12" is pathetic by comparison. This is the kind of theatre that really sets the commercial theatre several paces behind the enthusiast's.

Thanks Tux!

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He told me that he's installed flooring in some insanely nice homes and really enjoys the opportunity give any home theater a listen. That's all I needed to hear...lol.

After we handled our business with the flooring, I cranked it for him. He told me that a guy up in Maryland gave him a demo of his HT a few months back and was all but bragging about dropping $300K on his HT gear. Then he went on to mention that the short demo I just gave him trumped that system in spades. Thought that was pretty funny and kinda sad at the same time, ya know?

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Nice setup would be an understatement... eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Hey Austin, have you had a chance to play the "Pulse - Control Room" clip? This movie even has a WARNING label regarding possible equipment damage.
It would be interesting on how it plays in your room. If you have a chance to play it please let us know.

Great room and HT write up.

Yes, I've heard the scene on my current setup! I actually made the mistake of forcing my wife and daughter to sit through the entire movie with me when it came on cable a few months back...just for that scene in particular.

I think I have the pulse scene on one of the three demo discs I have laying around. I need to give it another spin. Definitely one of my favorite scenes!
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Great write up Mark!

Just now seeing the article. If any fellow AVSers happen to be in the DC area, please feel free to reach out if you are interested in a demo. This community has given so much to me, it's the least I could do in return.

I'm in Montgomery county and would take you up on it, but I'm too scared my eardrums would implode.
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Man, to be honest... The RF-7II's impress me more and more everyday. They can hang quite nicely on AVR power alone. I can't imagine any pair of 12's pulling sub duty being able to hang with what the RF-7's are capable of when crossed @ 80Hz.

I REALLY like the RF-7II's and I'm glad you are enjoying them. Outside of DIY, when you think about what you can get them for- new and used- they are absolute value kings in my estimation.

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"High End". That term makes me laugh. You know what high end gets you ? Nicer cabinets. Its safe to assume that most "high end" setups would not out measure this setup in any way. SPL, distortion, frequency response, seat to seat consistency. This is true high end. Where you don't want to go to an IMAX theater for a movie because you don't want a sub par experience.
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Very cool idea Mark (nice writeup) and congrats Austin. Bass impact like your system is capable of makes the HT expierence something special. The pretty theater rooms are nice to look at but when the lights go down, the picture and sound take over.

I'd love to hear your system sometime but being a left coaster it is unlikely.

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Any idea on the SPL of the woofers with 1w?
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"High End". That term makes me laugh. You know what high end gets you ? Nicer cabinets. Its safe to assume that most "high end" setups would not out measure this setup in any way. SPL, distortion, frequency response, seat to seat consistency. This is true high end. Where you don't want to go to an IMAX theater for a movie because you don't want a sub par experience.
Don't get high end confused with over the top.
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"High End". That term makes me laugh. You know what high end gets you ? Nicer cabinets. Its safe to assume that most "high end" setups would not out measure this setup in any way. SPL, distortion, frequency response, seat to seat consistency. This is true high end. Where you don't want to go to an IMAX theater for a movie because you don't want a sub par experience.
Don't get high end confused with over the top.

Then there's the adage that one can never have too much bass smile.gif I'd gladly go over the top if I owned my own place...someday.
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