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post #61 of 177 Old 08-05-2013, 07:23 PM
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you should add 2 more 18s, just to have 18 18"s. 1 on the left and 1 on the right.
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you should add 2 more 18s, just to have 18 18"s. 1 on the left and 1 on the right.

Haha... I was thinking of incorporating 24 at one point. Where does it stop though?

I thought I'd post this up just to give you guys (for those who haven't seen it already) a general idea if what this system is capable of.



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I think this is truly an amazing setup, well done! I have to admit Ive never seen anything like it before for me it's very unique. Fantastic!! smile.gif

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Great write up of a great system! smile.gif


You are an inspiration, popalock - I'm hoping to have a quarter of your displacement, if all goes to plan... tongue.gif
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Great write up Mark and congratulations Popalock to your HT! What a set up! Very inspiring!

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Speechless!! Great job Sir!!
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A lot of people do not understand. Many have not experienced a system that is capable of clean reference levels. Many think they have, but would be shocked once they have heard such a system. After being able to reach clean reference levels, the next goal often becomes, clean reference levels at the ultra low frequencies and that takes a lot of subs and a lot of power. Great system and one to experience.
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Austin, congrats buddy! You're the first in what will more than likely be a long line of lunatic -- I mean dedicate HT enthusiasts tongue.gif -- to be featured by Mark. Your setup is truly one of a kind.

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YES!!

I've got to make another trip down there again soon man. biggrin.gif

DIY FTW! I love the fact that there is nothing off the shelf available quite like this setup. biggrin.gif

Ya know, you're probably a candidate for this designation too. Perhaps you should submit your system as well - it's pretty killer at this point.

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Typo! I think you meant 'thumps' up:cool:
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Interesting division of budget here with the klipsch reference speakers. You must love those things cause I would of upgraded those long before I decided to put 2,000 subwoofers in my home. I wonder what the output at 10hz is???
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Interesting division of budget here with the klipsch reference speakers. You must love those things cause I would of upgraded those long before I decided to put 2,000 subwoofers in my home. I wonder what the output at 10hz is???

An LCR upgrade is on the radar. Primarily because I need something with a more slim profile given the RF-7II's are rear ported and 18" deep. The Noesis 212's are callin my name!!! Just gotta wait for the right timing with the wifey.

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That being said, I still enjoy the RF-7II's tremendously. Mark brought his Crown amp with him during his visit and we hooked it up just to see how the RF-7II's would fare with proper juice. I must say... With an external amp they exceeded what I thought they were capable of. I couldn't imagine any HT store attempting to even come close to what they can really do on the showroom if you asked for a demo.

I forget what amp Mark brought. IIRC it was an XTi series. Maybe a XTi1002?

Regarding max output @ 10Hz... I haven't tried it yet. I'll try to get around to it sometime soon and post measurements on my build thread.
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^ Come get your 10000Q and you can see with those RF7's are willing to put up with. biggrin.gif
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^ Come get your 10000Q and you can see with those RF7's are willing to put up with. biggrin.gif

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So funny when non-DIYers who have a pair of twelves wonder why you need all those subs thinking it's not as high end as a pair of subs from some over priced manufacturer. Try reproducing 10hz at even 105db let alone 115db from a pair of twelves and you'll take a step back before slamming this many subs again.

That said, Pop, this is straight overkill. Ha eek.gif
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It Made A Noticable Difference When I Added An Emotiva Amp To My Pioneer HT AVR.
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Great write-up, Mark! This looks like a promising new feature for the Forum smile.gif
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Interesting division of budget here with the klipsch reference speakers. You must love those things cause I would of upgraded those long before I decided to put 2,000 subwoofers in my home. I wonder what the output at 10hz is???

I can't think of many store bought speakers that are as capable as the RF7's for the price. With that said if you're cutting them off at 80hz and sending it to the subs, there are better solutions in the non-full range/high efficiency designs. DIY seems to be the answer... SEOS Waveguide kits come to mind.
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Interesting division of budget here with the klipsch reference speakers. You must love those things cause I would of upgraded those long before I decided to put 2,000 subwoofers in my home. I wonder what the output at 10hz is???

I can't think of many store bought speakers that are as capable as the RF7's for the price. With that said if you're cutting them off at 80hz and sending it to the subs, there are better solutions in the non-full range/high efficiency designs. DIY seems to be the answer... SEOS Waveguide kits come to mind.

Or the JTR Noesis 212s he's got his eyes on.

ps Popalock after being frustrated by feds all day long....it makes me even more crazy to think of your setup with the Noesis....altho Seaton Catalysts would be nice too? smile.gif
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Or the JTR Noesis 212s he's got his eyes on.

ps Popalock after being frustrated by feds all day long....it makes me even more crazy to think of your setup with the Noesis....altho Seaton Catalysts would be nice too? smile.gif

Having heard the Cat's and Noesis back-to-back, the Noesis would be a better fit for my current goals. The Cat's are one of the most incredible full range speakers I've ever had the opportunity to demo and if I didn't have as much capability as I do in the sub department, I'd definitely be eyeing them more seriously. By crossing to my subs between 50-80Hz I would not be utilizing the Cat 12's to their strength. However, doing so with the Noesis would be perfect fit!

For those who maybe interested in reading my expanded thoughts on the subject, you can check out my post on the NE Spring Speaker Shoot-Out Results thread here. If anyone ever has the opportunity to attend a get together such as this, please take the time to do so. Awesome experience!
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^There have been talks of another GTG at my place with the wife, but it's looking like it will have to be in the January/February time frame. I was hoping for something like in October, but she kind of flipped being so close to the baby's arrival date. biggrin.gif
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So funny when non-DIYers who have a pair of twelves wonder why you need all those subs thinking it's not as high end as a pair of subs from some over priced manufacturer. Try reproducing 10hz at even 105db let alone 115db from a pair of twelves and you'll take a step back before slamming this many subs again.

That said, Pop, this is straight overkill. Ha eek.gif
So not the point I was trying to make. Just curious how do you keep all those subs from overpowering the left and right speakers.

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So not the point I was trying to make. Just curious how do you keep all those subs from overpowering the left and right speakers.

If a system is properly calibrated, it doesn't matter how many subs you use—the sound will always be balanced. In fact, more subs actually blend better, thanks to the reduced THD and the near-total elimination of peaks and nulls.
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Very nice setup and congrats on being the first HT of the month!
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Do the subs over power your mains?
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WOW!!! I have some serious bass envy right now!
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Do the subs over power your mains?

With high efficiency mains that is really hard to do, especially if you want above reference bass down to 5 hz.

I have 8 of the same subs PL has and my ears give out with cranking up my speakers before my ears will give out from the bass from the subs.

The biggest benefit though (like Mark said a few posts ago) is that the frequency response is so much smoother in all parts of the room. Effortless/powerful bass sounds (well, more feel than sound actually) and once you have experienced it you can't go back!!
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If a system is properly calibrated, it doesn't matter how many subs you use—the sound will always be balanced. In fact, more subs actually blend better, thanks to the reduced THD and the near-total elimination of peaks and nulls.
So what you're saying is 2 floorstanding speakers with (4)10 inch woofers plus surrounds can keep up with (16)18 inch subwoofers?

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So what you're saying is 2 floorstanding speakers with (4)10 inch woofers plus surrounds can keep up with (16)18 inch subwoofers?

They keep up just fine, with ease when provided with enough power. Those Klipsch rock hardcore. Multiple subs really is about bass extension, low THD and even coverage. A single 12" or 15" subwoofer is more likely to "overpower" those speakers, due to bass peaks and nulls and distortion.

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An LCR upgrade is on the radar. Primarily because I need something with a more slim profile given the RF-7II's are rear ported and 18" deep. The Noesis 212's are callin my name!!! Just gotta wait for the right timing with the wifey.

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That being said, I still enjoy the RF-7II's tremendously. Mark brought his Crown amp with him during his visit and we hooked it up just to see how the RF-7II's would fare with proper juice. I must say... With an external amp they exceeded what I thought they were capable of. I couldn't imagine any HT store attempting to even come close to what they can really do on the showroom if you asked for a demo.

I forget what amp Mark brought. IIRC it was an XTi series. Maybe a XTi1002?

Regarding max output @ 10Hz... I haven't tried it yet. I'll try to get around to it sometime soon and post measurements on my build thread.

Just my trusty six year old XTi-1000.

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With high efficiency mains that is really hard to do, especially if you want above reference bass down to 5 hz.

I have 8 of the same subs PL has and my ears give out with cranking up my speakers before my ears will give out from the bass from the subs.

The biggest benefit though (like Mark said a few posts ago) is that the frequency response is so much smoother in all parts of the room. Effortless/powerful bass sounds (well, more feel than sound actually) and once you have experienced it you can't go back!!



I was just wondering. I bet it sounds amazing.
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