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how about TVs that are already calibrated, they already have "store" and "home" modes; the "home"
mode should be calibrated out of the box

Unless the manufacturers know your lighting condition in your house, there is no way any display can be calibrated from the manufacturer. Furthermore, no manufacturer is willing to spend 2-3 hours per TV when the profit margin is virtually non-existent.

Even a $12,000 19" broadcast monitors are not calibrated from the factory.

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If I was there I would want to check out the Glyph VR Retinal displays. Any 4K OLEDs, 4K blu-ray players, and large format true FALD, IGZO, Motheye 4K LCD.

I would ignore gimmick sets like curved displays, 105" 21:9 Samsung and LG, and any large format OLED that has no chance of becoming an actual product.
LG is unveiling 4K OLED's at CES.
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You should check out glasses free 3d 4ktv from stream tv networks
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If I was there I would want to check out the Glyph VR Retinal displays. Any 4K OLEDs, 4K blu-ray players, and large format true FALD, IGZO, Motheye 4K LCD.

I would ignore gimmick sets like curved displays, 105" 21:9 Samsung and LG, and any large format OLED that has no chance of becoming an actual product.
LG is unveiling 4K OLED's at CES.
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LG is unveiling 4K OLED's at CES.
..and what are those? ''technology demonstrations'' ↔ ''prototypes'' or actual products that will be for sale in 2014?
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I'll be touching down in Vegas tomorrow for the event. I have to work at my companies booth for one day but the rest of the week I'll be hitting the floor and checking everything out.

I'm excited to see what Panasonic will be bringing to replace their Plasma units. Hopefully a full line of 4k monitors.

I'm mostly interested in the start up space - http://www.cesweb.org/Show-Floor/TechZones/Eureka-Park

Also of note is Valve's Steam Box. I'd like to see if they have a playable unit on display.
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In the C|NET review of the R520/R550, input lag is 31.9ms in Game Mode.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-70r550a/4505-6482_7-35661322-2.html


The number one in this area is W802A with its 16.9 input lag in game mode (according C|NET)
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57589240-221/best-low-lag-hdtvs-for-serious-gamers/
How does lag count when the PQ is simply horrendous on this Sony and I'll bet you it's not even a Sony panel - most likely a rebadged LG POS! I bought the 70" and returned to Amazon within 24 hours as the PQ was night and day inferior to my Samsung 65F8000 - Hands down the Sony was the worst Sony I've ever seen and Sony should be ashamed to carry their badge on garbage like the R550!

The cheap price and size meant nothing when the PQ made you want to barf as it would compare to the original LCD's from about 12 years ago - Crapola! The last thing I want to see is Sony going further backwards with vrap like the R550! Youb get what you pay for and that lag favorable is a DOG when it comes to PQ!

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A "reasonable" priced 80' approx. UHD TV and a new Anthem Pre with 4K and HDMI 2.0 support. It's a dream I know.
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So today we start off with some announcements from Samsung, etc.

Then tomorrow the juicy stuff. smile.gif

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Hi Value what if is 110 inch 4ktv with glasses free 3d is that okay?
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Hi Value what if is 110 inch 4ktv with glasses free 3d is that okay?

Is it going to be as expensive as Samsung's 110" 4k model? It is a nice start, but until these things get under 10k the mass market won't even pay them a passing glance. Under 3k would be my jumping point.

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Our pricing is aggressive.
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Our pricing is aggressive.

we can't wait to hear more!

Once pricing comes in line with comparable high-quality projection (or below) that will be a dream come true for many of us. I could swing $5-6K, but no $7K or higher frown.gif

1080p and lossless audio. EVERY BD should have them both.
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This has been a great thread so far. I'm just a few hours from jumping on a plane to Vegas. Thank you and keep it coming.

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How does lag count when the PQ is simply horrendous on this Sony and I'll bet you it's not even a Sony panel - most likely a rebadged LG POS! I bought the 70" and returned to Amazon within 24 hours as the PQ was night and day inferior to my Samsung 65F8000 - Hands down the Sony was the worst Sony I've ever seen and Sony should be ashamed to carry their badge on garbage like the R550!

The cheap price and size meant nothing when the PQ made you want to barf as it would compare to the original LCD's from about 12 years ago - Crapola! The last thing I want to see is Sony going further backwards with vrap like the R550! Youb get what you pay for and that lag favorable is a DOG when it comes to PQ!

You're joking when comparing a Sony 550 vs Samsung 8000 right? rolleyes.gif

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I want to know about the Denon X5200, X7200 and X9200 receiver's .......... since the model numbers were known several months ago, I assume they will show them at CES and it is not too early to talk about them anymore.

Paradigm.........new REAL SPEAKERS...........Studio V.6.........can you guys cover Paradigm....lots of fans waiting.
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I want to know about the Denon X5200, X7200 and X9200 receiver's .......... since the model numbers were known several months ago, I assume they will show them at CES and it is not too early to talk about them anymore.

Paradigm.........new REAL SPEAKERS...........Studio V.6.........can you guys cover Paradigm....lots of fans waiting.

I can and will check out Paradigm's offerings.

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What I want to see is more audio products like AVR's and so fourth. 4K? Not interested. OLED? Not unless I see something from Sony.
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Actually LED is a lighting illuminating tech where as DLP or LCD is a display tech.
However when you get into OLEDs that there is a display tech.
The difference between a UHP bulb projector and a LED based projector is the lighting tech, LED projector minus the color wheel.
In both of those types of projectors you still have the DMD DLP chip.
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Crossing my fingers for Panasonic OLED! I know.. pipe dream... Some one tell the Panasonic reps I will be writing a nasty letter if they don't get an OLED out or restart plasma ASAP!

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I'd like to see under $500 AVRs with Audyssey XT 32 and multiple independent subwoofer outputs up to 4.

I asked same to Chris K @ on his facebook page 2 years ago, https://www.facebook.com/groups/audysseytechtalk/
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I posted this in your main facebook wall, but guys at avsforum suggested this is more appropriate place.
Is there any chance for the hi end/reference/flagship AVR's (Denon 5xxxCI line, Onkyo NR5xxx line, etc) 4 individual sub calibration will be included? Realizing this has limited marketability, yet still people with hi end Home Theatres are more and more using multiple subs to smooth out the low bass response. So, here's one customers feedback asking for it. Currently, I have the 2007 Denon AVR 4308CI with MultEQ XT.
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Chris Kyriakakis Hi Michael, we are not aware of any plans from AVR makers to go with 4 independent subs. When they do we are ready--the current Sub EQ HT algorithm is fully scalable to more subs.


Arny I'd really like to up the ability of Audyssey (either XT 32 or Pro) to help people with both subwoofer and front mains RH/LH placement, posted that idea 2 years ago - 2/21/12 at 6:19pm.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-51779/50760#post_21679016
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I post this in the Audyssey Tech Talk facebook page earlier today:

Proposal:

Audyssey technology already captures at the seating positions speakerroom response results.

With modification of those software capture routines, Audyssey could enhance it's MultEQ package offering to assist customers in determining Subwoofer(s) and Main RH/LH speaker optimized location.

Proposal itself is shown visually in the 2 pictures attached.

Knowing that for best audio/sound in a listening room, these parameters are tackled in prioritized order:

1. Speaker location, 2. Listener position, 3. Acoustic treatments, 4. Electronic correction.

Audyssey technology can be utilized for optimizing 1 and possibly 2, in addition to 4 as currently done.

On the surface, the subwoofer seems the leading candidate for this proposal, as most people's sub(s) can be changed location relatively easily.

A shift of say 6 - 12 can affect the peak/null at the Master Listening Position (MLP), so this can do the reverse of the subwoofer crawl, capturing objective data and using that to assist in optimal placement from a MLP.

>>This will also work for multiple subs, each optimized for its location relative to same MLP.

The Mains RH/LH, that location mostly is dictated within a tight envelope of front/side walls and display device, etc.

However, still opportunity for optimum placement could be identified using the same basic routines, changing the judgment criteria for Main speakers instead of subwoofer speaker(s).

(ie SBIR minimized, etc).

This proposal is the KISS concept, Keep It Short and Simple.

Baseline position plus up to (2) alternative positions would be measured from just the MLP, and then data analysis done, then visual ranking by simple #1, #2, #3.

An optional visual graph overlay of the Freq response plot/other chart would be made available.

This is a high level proposal, details of course underline it and need further discussion, but this post intent is to get the concept out.

The marketing of this seems to fit with the MultEQ XT32 customer in mind, being those customers are more tweaker orientated and will want this.

The above dealt mainly with determining 1. , speaker position.

Pict for subwoofer location proposal:


pict for main speaker location proposal
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2nd request, also posted to Audyssey facebook page, this one December 15, 2012 at 11:41am
https://www.facebook.com/groups/audysseytechtalk/
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Q for Chris on Multi row dedicated HT:
It should be stated that for 2 row arrangements, at least my case, the are plenty of times where the 1st row is only used, say 95%+, but the 2nd row is used for large gatherings.
I'd like a easy/quick way to switch between 2 or even 3 EQ settings based upon;
1st row used, 2nd row empty (the 95% case)
1st + 2nd row used (the 4% case)
2nd row used, 1st row empty (very slim chance, 1%, but what the heck)

Now if that ability was included in AVR's it would be sweet!
Just run the EQ routine 3 times and have separate saves in the AVR memory bank, then program which EQ you want at listening time.
Yea, it could be done via store/restore to a PC, but that's not integrated solution.

So Chris, thoughts?
Have you discussed this with the various AVR makers out there?
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Chris Kyriakakis We have been requesting this for the past 6 years. All it takes is more memory in the AVR, but it hasn't happened...
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Bob Weissman Huh. I had predicted that Chris would have said something like "MultEQ relies on information from the room. It doesn't matter how many seats or listeners there are." Oh wait, he did say that. Discuss.
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Chris Kyriakakis You can certainly "bias" MultEQ by taking more measurements in one area. It tells it that it's more important. There are cases where you need to store multiple calibrations. For example, projection screen up vs screen down. Curtains drawn vs not drawn, etc.
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Michael A Rosinski Glad to see Chris you see my point, I wonder why AVR makers at least for their upper and flagship products don't do this?
Maybe they needed a future upgrade path and could not give us this simple one now, rather save for later is my only thought.
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What I'd like to see:

- 1080p 120hz 3D LED DLP projectors, capable of 4k at 60hz so probably something with HDMI 2.0 support.
+11 if it is NVIDIA 3DVision certified because I am tired of the EDID Overide on my K330 at each Nvidia drivers update.

- AVRs capable of transfering this 1080p 120hz 3D signal (and 4k @ 60hz) to these projectors.
Again +11 if they are compatible with NVIDIA 3DVision.

- a consumer version of the Oculus Rift with a release date, please.

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I don't want to see anything. I just got everything I wanted last year and don't need any more temptation. lol
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I hope we get lots of reports of interesting things. Is this the place to read about all the new stuff or is there another thread here at AVSforum I should be following?
I wish I was there!
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Mark ?

Might as well call it for what it really is.
The big question is coming from CES is ?


What is our wish list for CES.



Wish list for CES 2014.
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I think they could make something that auto calibrates a tv/projector, similiarly to the way you can calibrate your audio with a microphone. In this case you would need a camera/webcam/ps4cam/kinect instead that can be pointed at your tv/screen and automatically calibrate it.

Doesnt seem impossible although this woudlnt be calibrating it to your specific eyes, but maybe narrowing it down to 4-5 different optimal calibration settings. Seems like it would be also be able to be done very quickly this way so you could change it on the fly depending on the source content.
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